Unidentified He111 insignia on two force-landed a/c Western Campaign

[F19Gladiator]

Very possible they were taken in 1940 and seen on three different aircraft Robert but then I am also interested in the sources, i.e. the photos and documents in particular.
Night missions over Britain were flown by He 111s based in France in 1940. I'm interested in understanding the time period. What links the photos specifically to the BoF period, excluding the time later in 1940?

The vegetation on the photo I am referring to on my post on LEMB does not enable a firm conclusion on May/June as it could also fit a photo taken later, after the BoF.

The camouflage, or rather painted over unit codes, might perhaps indicate a later date than BoF. How many other photos of He 111s with painted over fuselage codes from BoF do you find Robert? If so what units can those be linked to in order to narrow down the search for the unit in this case?

What camouflage and other specifics do the other two aircraft, featuring the same emblem as discussed, reveal?

I've commented on the 11./KG 54 matter earlier. That's merely an example of bombs figuring in similar emblems.

I am posting the photo from ebay found here: http://cgi.ebay.de/085-Orig-Foto-Ger...d=p3911.c0.m14

As can be seen the fuselage has received a layer of dark paint covering the code and fuselage up to just beneneath the spine but not the BK.


I have to underline that I am not arguing for a specific answer, Unit, time period, as I am collecting more information as well as trying to "read" the signs of what little information I have yet.

Cheers
Goran

[robert]

Hi,

on the photos, which you posted in this thread, I`m seeing nor bomb nor devil. Sorry.

Regards

Robert

[F19Gladiator]

Originally Posted by robert

Hi,

on the photos, which you posted in this thread, I`m seeing nor bomb nor devil. Sorry.

Regards

Robert

Thanks Robert,

In the post #15 above, after editing and entering the photo from ebay.de of the bellied in He 111, you must be able to see the emblem with bomb, wings and the eye?

I have never introduced the devil as part of the emblem discussed. See emblem #863 in Ketley & Rolfe. Also posted by Larry. This is the emblem discussed.
You are perhaps referring to the photo captioned as a KG 4 aircraft?

Do you have any answer on my other questions?

Br
Goran

[robert]

Hi,

of course I didn`t refer to this photo. The original print of above photo reveals that this plane has a full fuselage code and was flown most likely by the 3./LG1.
It probably crash-landed on the 10.05.40.
Three other He-111 with the same emblem have a strange-painted propellers and most probably belonged to 1./LG1 (one of them came down in the vicinity of Dunkirk).
This "devil riding a bomb" emblem is very similar to emblem introduced by 3./KG1 especially when the full view of emblem is blocked.

Regards

Robert

[F19Gladiator]

Originally Posted by robert

Hi,

of course I didn`t refer to this photo. The original print of above photo reveals that this plane has a full fuselage code and was flown most likely by the 3./LG1.
It probably crash-landed on the 10.05.40.
Three other He-111 with the same emblem have a strange-painted propellers and most probably belonged to 1./LG1 (one of them came down in the vicinity of Dunkirk).
This "devil riding a bomb" emblem is very similar to emblem introduced by 3./KG1 especially when the full view of emblem is blocked.

Regards

Robert

Thank you very much for replying Robert!

The only a/c I can find matching your info about a 3./LG 1 He 111 crash-landed on 10.05.1940 is L1+EL with FF Fw. Werner Hartmann, which crashed near Néchin east of Lille after being shot down by Hurricanes of No. 607 Sq.
Source: Cornwell P.214 and Taghon p.439. (see earlier in thread about references)

Crew captured, BS Saas KIA and FF being wounded. Aircraft was a write-off. The circumstances does not seem to match the photos I have seen, unless the a/c was photographed after recapture and providing no souvenirs had been taken!

As you seem to be confident about the Heinkel (post #15) carrying a LG 1 code being clearly visible on an original, can you share a visual? Seing is believeing, particularly in this case as the posted photos do not give away even a hint regarding the unit code!

Regarding the other two He 111s with the same emblem you mention, can you give advice on photo sources or are these hidden in private archives?

Cheers
Goran

[robert]

Hi,

all photos were on E-Bay.
On one of original prints (taken from other side) you can see the bullet`s holes in fuselage indicating that this bomber was hit in fighter attack.

Regards

Robert

[F19Gladiator]

Originally Posted by robert

Hi,

all photos were on E-Bay.
On one of original prints (taken from other side) you can see the bullet`s holes in fuselage indicating that this bomber was hit in fighter attack.
Regards
Robert

Thanks Robert,
So there is another starboard side photo of the He 111, which I posted a port side photo of in post #15. Do you have it? Is it possible to share it with us?

There is nothing in the text on the album page with photo which Larry posted, enabling me to nail it to the aircraft and a 3./LG 1 loss on 10.05.1940.

The other questions ......

Any reference to the other two aircraft, which according to your answer - If I understood you right - appeared at ebay? Do you have them on your HD or the actual photos? And again, if so, can you share them?

As you repeatedly refer to "the original prints" I get the feeling you are having them all in your box?

Thank you for your patience with my questions.

Cheers
Goran