NARA Seattle

[Kari Lumppio]

Originally Posted by yogybär

Byron, I copied the quotes above directly from a pdf-file with a NARA-emblem on top. I think the material was microfilmed and then handed over to the Bundesarchiv.

Hello!

Some of the descriptions do look familiar. I believe these are available as microfilms but you have not included the roll number(s). If I had to guess they are from group T-321 and roll numbers 12x or around that. I have some rolls with nearby code.

BTW. I think the German records are not held at the NARA Seattle site. Are you sure you restricted you search to Seattle site only or was the search area for the whole NARA? At least I was not able to find any German records held at Seattle.

Kari

[John Beaman]

From someone familiar with the NARA:"The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) is headquartered in Washington, D.C., mostly in the Roosevelt-era building downtown but also at Archives II - College Park (where you have been). These two operations, however, are but the tip of a bureaucratic pyramid. The NARA also operates 13 regional depositories within the United States. One of these regional depositories is located in Seattle; another in Kansas City; another in East Point (Atlanta) Georgia; another in the Dallas area; one or two in California, and so forth. The regional depositories are charged with receiving and conserving the obsolete records of federal agencies within their geographic region.In addition to the regional depositories, the NARA also operates two National Personnel Records Centers in St. Louis, Missouri: one for military personnel records and one for civil personnel (i.e., retired civil servants) records. It's possible that there are yet other miscellaneous activities and facilities of the NARA, but I never heard of any others.So far as I know, the only way that any German records could possibly be found at NARA/Seattle is thru its accidental/incidental holding of copies of RG 242 Captured German Records on microfilm, the same material that we buy on microfilm from the NARA at College Park, where the masters are held. Because of the expense of copies and other factors, I am seriously skeptical that any captured German records on microfilm exist at the Seattle Regional Depository."

[yogybär]

To be honest, I more or less hijacked this thread because on teh day it was opened I found out about the documents I listed above... .

So, I did not know anything about NARA's locations...

@ Kari: The role number is included, look out for three-digit number as fat below:

OKL/710,125 1943/01/00,1944/10/00
OKL - Luftwaffenführungsstab Ic/FLO.
Lists of Soviet airfields arranged alphabetically and by target number.
092 0000001
OKL/261

Do you have role 121 / 0000194 whic is also in my above examples?

[Jaap Woortman]

Originally Posted by Kari Lumppio

Hello!

Some of the descriptions do look familiar. I believe these are available as microfilms but you have not included the roll number(s). If I had to guess they are from group T-321 and roll numbers 12x or around that. I have some rolls with nearby code.

Kari

Kari is right. I did some research on this and found out that T321(B) is the guide to look for. In this guide at four pages is information about German aircraft losses in the period 1944-1945. See survey below and attachment.

Is this 60% of the missing part of the "Holy Grail"?

I have ordered the roll 112 and have just received it. It looks like it are radio messages received with information about losses of the Luftwaffe in the mentioned period. Sofar I have seen 6 frames of the final part of the filmroll.

Jaap


ITEM DATES ROLL FRAME
OKL/416 1944/08/01-1945/03/30 112 0000528
OKL - Gen. Qu. 6. Abteilung.
General Quartermaster Branch 6 reports on aircraft losses through accidents and in combat.

Page 60

ITEM DATES ROLL FRAME
OKL/402a-b 1945/02/16-1945/04/01 210 0000002
OKL- Generalquartiermeister.
German Air Force Quartermaster daily reports of air personnel casualties and aircraft losses on all fronts.
Page 125

ITEM DATES ROLL FRAME
OKL/416 1944/08/01-1945/03/30 212 0000004
OKL-Luftwaffenfftihrungsstab Ic.
German Air Force Quartermaster Branch 6 reports on aircraft and flight personnel losses based on intercepted enemy radio messages. (This item is also reproduced on T321, roll 112, frames 528-694.)
Page 127

ITEM DATES ROLL FRAME
OKL/441-442 1944/08/01-1945/01/31 217 0000003
OKL-Generalquartiermeister.
Daily casualty lists for German Air Force personnel and parachute units on various fronts.

Page 130

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi, guys.

Very interesting indeed.

I have noted that the finding aids are listed as being GG24, GG92 and T176/rolls 15 and 30-31.

Can anyone please provide me with a straight forward way of ordering things from NARA. Tried a few years ago, but frankly gave up... it apparently took them about 6 months to give me an answer...

For example the above references, how should they appear on an order form?

Well, fired away an email to the NARA, and will hope for an answer!

Regards,
Andreas B

[RT]

Is this 60% of the missing part of the "Holy Grail"?

I have ordered the roll 112 and have just received it. It looks like it are radio messages received with information about losses of the Luftwaffe in the mentioned period. Sofar I have seen 6 frames of the final part of the filmroll.

Looks really interesting , wonder why just now discovered, is the quality of docs like your model Jaap or bad copy ??
If you need some money for the other rolls..

Remi

[Jaap Woortman]

Andreas, I will send you a PM about the ordering procedure.

Remi, thanks for your offer but money is not my problem. See the present $ versus € rate. Time is my main problem the next two, three months. We are finallizing our publication about the history of the Dutch airfields during WWII. It has to go to the printer in March 2009.
An other problem is my HP Scanjet 3800 scanner. I have used it for scanning microfilms for the first time but I am not quit happy with the results sofar. As you can see. I am learning but will also have a look for a professional reader/scanner/printer in our local Hist. Centre.
I had the idea of digitizing the film and put it on a DVD. NARA has this roll only on film.

The reason why now is simple. I was triggered two months ago by some remarks in this thread and recognized the OKL/123 way of coding. Next step was looking at NARA for a guide with OKL information. In doing so I have found more interesting guides and information(rolls) e.g. for my research for Dutchmen serving in the Luftwaffe. For our project about a/c losses in the Netherlands I have given priority to roll 112 of the T 321 guide. I ordered the roll at November 3rd and have just received it. The first results are interesting enough for letting you folks know.

Jaap

[Hans Mcilveen]

Andreas,

Ordering at the NARA is not difficult, once you get the hang of it. All is done online.

Microfilm:
to download the two finding guides GG24 and GG92 go to https://eservices.archives.gov/orderonline/ press the blue button “Microfilm”.
Enter “T321” in the top search box. Click through on the result page and you will find the two PDF files on the right. Determine what to order and then, on the same detail page, click on “Continue to order” to order individual rolls. You will have to create an online account to do this. You can pay with a credit card.

Paper items or asking questions:
NARA apparently no longer responds to requests sent to inquire@..., you will have to use the online forms. Again, go to https://eservices.archives.gov/orderonline/ but press the blue button “Find & Request”. This will lead you to a wizard where you will have to select a generic topic and subtopic before you can enter your question or request for quotation. Your query will be dealt with online but you will be alerted to a response by e-mail.

I hope this is of some use.

Regards,

Hans

[philippe1]

here in belgium there is a company who can make from microfilms pictures but i have to go there to figure out their price its depending if they canb do it automaticly or manual.
my micro's comming from NASM are 3,5 cm wide
i have a contact in the area but he is not doing it for free the avantage of this guy he is taking his time to search it and you will have it faster than on regular way.

[yogybär]

Originally Posted by Hans Mcilveen

Microfilm:
to download the two finding guides GG24 and GG92 go to https://eservices.archives.gov/orderonline/ press the blue button “Microfilm”.

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Hans

One question: Is it possible to get microfilms in a digital shape? I don't know how to handle that microfilm-stuff...