Uffz. Leander Mayer III./JG51

[Paul Thurlow]

Looking for info on this pilot. Particularly the Bf 109E he flew when shooting down a Hurricane over Dover 19 July 1940. Can anyone help?

Regards,

Paul.

[Chris Goss]

There is no such person but there is an Uffz Maximilian Mayerl of 8/JG 51 who claimed a Spitfire 10 km south of Dover 1352 hrs (his 2nd kill of 76). As to what mark of Bf 109 E he was flying or its markings, I cannot help

[Brian Bines]

Following on from Chris the JG 51 book shows Hpt. Maximilian Mayerl with 76 victories all with III/JG51 (7 in the West) awarded RK and survived the war.
RK site has Oblt. Mayerl of 9/51 awarded RK 22-11-43.

[Leo Etgen]

Hello Paul

I can not add much more than Chris and Brian already have but in case that you might be interested here is what I have on Mayerl. I hope that you find it somewhat useful. http://rapidshare.com/files/202854934/Mayerl.zip.html

Horrido!

Leo

[Paul Thurlow]

Guys,

Many thanks for your posts. Just goes to show that you can't believe everything you read when researching!!! The attached pic is of a text extract taken from the book Hurricane Aces 1939-40 by Tony Holmes which is where I first picked up the name Mayer (just zoom to read the text). Further research threw up the name Leander.

Extract from http://www.luftwaffe.cz/jg51claims.pdf

19.7.1940 16:25 Uffz. Mayer Leander Hurricane III./JG 51 32 Sq., Sgt. Turner ,Dover

Regards,

Paul.

[Jim P.]

Actually there was such a person, but he certainly was not flying in combat with JG 51 in 1940. His first claim was as a Flg. at the end of July-1941.

Fw 190A-3, 7013, Mayer, Uffz. Leander, 12, 8., JG 51, schwarze, 9 + |, DF+BH, , 29-Jan-43, MIA after Luftkampf with Il-2s., WNr. listed as 013. Kassel factory, Ostfront, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #8)-Vol.14; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.2, p.338; Ring, JG 51 loss list, p.49, , 7km nördlich Dolgoje, 100%, F, ,

And I should note because when I usually post these extracts delimited by commas from my database with no editing - 7013 is the WNr, of the machine, 12 refers to his claims, he flew with 8./JG 51, the plane was coded 'black 9 + |' which would mean a III./JG 51, 8th Staffel machine. The 'DF+BH' was the Stammkennzeichen of the machine, date, fate, comments, sources, location, percent loss & 'F', Feindflug - operational sortie.

[Paul Thurlow]

Jim,

Many thanks for the info. Certainly better than anything I have found to date. Any research tips you could pass my way as I'm a complete novice. I am now very interested just who did shoot down P3144 over Dover on that day. I won't be giving up the chase!

Regards,

Paul.

[Leo Etgen]

Hi Paul

Here are the claims made by Luftwaffe pilots on that date. If you could narrow down at around what time did your guy get shot down you may be able to determine which unit he was involved in combat with. It might be rather difficult to narrow down the specific pilot.

III./JG 27

Oberleutnant Walter Adolph: Hurricane Isle of Wight at 18:25
Feldwebel Georg Lehmann: Hurricane Isle of Wight at 18:30
Feldwebel Franz Blazytko: Hurricane Isle of Wight at 18:30
Leutnant Erbo Graf von Kageneck: Hurricane Isle of Wight at 18:35
Leutnant Erbo Graf von Kageneck: Hurricane Isle of Wight at 18:40

I./JG 51

Feldwebel Jakob Schmitt: Spitfire south of Dover at 18:19
Hauptmann Ernst Wiggers: Spitfire Dover at 17:12

III./JG 51

Hauptmann Hannes Trautloft: Defiant south of Folkestone at 13:42
Oberleutnant Otto Kath: Defiant south of Folkestone at 13:43
Leutnant Werner Pichon-Kalau v. Hofe: Defiant south of Folkestone at 13:43
Leutnant Herbert Wehnelt: Defiant south of Folkestone at 13:44
Leutnant Werner Pichon-Kalau von Hofe: Defiant south of Folkestone at 13:45
Feldwebel Berhard Lausch: Defiant south of Folkestone at 13:45
Leutnant Werner Pichon-Kalau von Hofe: Defiant south of Folkestone at 13:46
Leutnant Heinz Schmidt: Defiant south of Folkestone at 13:46
Oberleutnant Arnold Lignitz: Defiant south of Folkestone at 13:48
Oberleutnant Walter Oesau: Defiant south of Folkestone at 13:50
Leutnant Gottfried Schlitzer: Defiant south of Folkestone at 13:50
Unteroffizier Maximilian Mayerl: Spitfire 10 km. south of Dover at 13:52
Oberleutnant Walter Oesau: Hurricane south of Dover at 13:55
Leutnant Hans Kolbow: Spitfire Folkestone at 16:50
Oberleutnant Arnold Lignitz: Spitfire Folkestone at 17:05

I hope that this helps a little.

Horrido!

Leo

[Johannes]

Hi

This is what I have on the guy. He was Born in 1921. On 29th January 1943 he went missing in his Fw190 in combat with Russian aircraft in the region North of Dolgoje, Russia.
Claims are(first 8 with 8./Jg51, last 3 with 7./Jg51):-

Nr 1 04.11.1941 Il-2 1510hrs
Nr 2 18.11.1941 I-15 10km NE Wysokinitschi 1130hrs 10metres altitude.
Nr 3 11.03.1942 Il-2 1725hrs
Nr 4 11.03.1942 Il-2 1730hrs
Nr 5 05.04.1942 R-5 1717hrs
Nr 6 25.05.1942 DB-3 1622hrs
Nr 7 29.05.1942 Jak-3 0955hrs
Nr 8 11.09.1942 Il-2 area 20km E Subzow 1556hrs 50 metres altitude.
Nr 9 22.09.1942 R-5 area 25km WSW Staritza 0924hrs
Nr10 22.09.1942 R-5 area 25km WSW Staritza 0925hrs
Nr11 26.09.1942 Il-2 area 10km W Rzhev(Rshew) 1200hrs.

All were claimed as a Gefreiter, but his rank at death was Uffz.