May 14th 1940 and few little things

[roumsetom]

Hello Many
It isn't my website and I'm not the author of the lines which are published there. I just wanted to show to the knowledge of all what I had "found" on Web .
Regards
Franck

[Many Souffan]

Ooops!

I am sorry Franck.

And thank you for your Help.

[Alex Smart]

Hello,

Thank you, we now know the serial numbers of the four Faiey battle's and the names of their crews and what became of them.

But

Those four German aircraft lost, who were their crews and what became of them please ?

Also may I ask who the French pilots were and who made claims for shoot downs that day in the time losses were ?

These details may already have been placed in this thread but I missed them if they were.

Thanks
Alex

[Many Souffan]

Hello Alex

Few infos

At 12.25, 7 pilots of III/7 take off from Vitry-le-François to the North to protect the slow Amiot 143 of GB I & II/34 and II/38 which will go to bomb the bridge of the Meuse (Maas) in the sector of Flize-Sedan, where the Spearhead of XIX Army Corps (mot) of Guderian a long time ago have crossed the Meuse (Maas) with their Panzers and have let Sedan behind them.

At 12h30, the 1 Pz. Div of Kirchner (a part of XIX Army Corps (mot)) has already reached Malmy, and almost finished to take Chemery. After a technical little stop it will reach easily Vendresse, 35 minutes after

At 12h45/50 our 7 French pilots arrived over the sector (level 1500/1800 m), over them, there are some dog fights between D520, Bloch 152 and in other part Bf 109 and Me 110. Under them The Hs 126 attached to the panzer divisionen are spying giving infos also for the units of Stukas which wait for the positions of French army for diving.

The French pilots of III/7 are:
1 section with Adj/C Bertrand-Cne Bouvarre-Slt Billoin,
Pair 1 with Cne Lacombe-Sgt Berthet
Pair 2 with Adj Littolff-Slt Mourier
Adj/C Bertrand who is leading the section, has also the mission to relate by « radiophonie » what happen. As Cdt Crémont the “Boss” of III/7 has written in his diary, he can hear perfectly in his Post of Control and can follow the progress of the mission…

12h54, Adj/C Bertrand saw the first Hs 126, he attacks with Slt Billoin by one side, Adj Littolff, Slt Mourier attack it in other side, Cne Bouvarre protect the attack. The Hs126 force landed at the east of the route nationale 77 at the north of Chemery where the Motorized Flak is already in action (Flak 83 light).
Claim for: Adj/C Bertrand, Slt Billoin, Adj Littolff, Slt Mourier

13h00 The 7pilots of III/7 attack it in noria. Sgt Berthet who attack the last, see a part of the fin to detach, the crew bail out.
Claim for: Cne Bouvarre, Cne Lacombe, Slt Mourier, Slt Billoin, Adj/C Bertrand, Adj Littolff, Sgt Berthet.

13h12 claim for Cne Lacombe, Slt Mourier, Adj Littolff, Sgt Berthet.
13h25 claim for Cne Bouvarre, Cne Lacombe, Slt Mourier, Slt Billoin, Adj/C Bertrand, Adj Littolff, Sgt Berthet.

The French Pilots begin their comeback 10/15 minutes after the last victory.
Sorry Alex but I can’t tell all the story I must keep some for my article.

Alex, about the names of the crews of Hs126, I have only who were wounded or dead…

Thank you.

[Alex Smart]

Hello Many,
Thank you .
This is most helpful.

I do understand your reserve with regard to your article, so will not press you further.

As the Battle's were a separate incident later in the day, can you confirm the French pilots involved and perhaps their a/c details ( such as side numbers ) ?

[ If this info is already in this thread then I apologise - could you say which page or reply number ? thank you ].

Thank you
Alex

[Many Souffan]

Hello Alex.

My English is maybe no too good, But I don't think understand your question. Do you think that 4 Battle of 142 Sqn. were shot down by other French Pilots ?

If it is your question, I say no, They were shot down by German fighters and probably by 2 different units....

Thank you

[Franek Grabowski]

Many, I presume Alex is asking about serials and codes of French aircraft which attacked Henschels.

[Alex Smart]

Hello Many,
See Franek's responce .

He has it, Yes the serial numbers and side codes/numbers of the French a/c that attacked the Henschels.

Thanks Franek for the understanding.

Thank you Many
Alex

[Many Souffan]

Hello Franek & Alex.

I have some infos about 2 or 3 of the 7 Morane, involved in this combat.
It is my main research for now, if in the file of the GC III/7 there are many infos about the combats and the missions, there are almost nothing about the planes, it is the same case for the photographs about planes and in particular for the 5ème escadrille. I am not desesperated yet... All infos are welcomed...

I wait for new materials the next days, and I think that I will keep now all infos for my article. It will be better like that.

Thank you

Ps: I wait for always, the sources of M Arnaud Gillet who didn't give them in his book, already printed out since 2003.... Why, this silence?

[arnaud]

Dear Many Souffan,

Unfortunately I don’t have any others sources as those mentioned in my books. For instance I have no information about British pilots saying that they were shot down by French pilots. They all say that they were shot down by Messerschmitt 109…


So you are perhaps right...

Yours sincerely

Arnaud Gillet