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Old 20th May 2009, 10:40
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Re: JG400

HSS means that the bomber was forced to leave his formation. The Luftwaffe validated such a deed as a full victory, given teh difficulty of attacking a bomber box.
On the other hand shooting down a damaged straggler was not considered as a full victory, and shoud be claimes as a "B-17 e.V.", e.V. being the initials of "final destruction" in German.
By the way, I dind't remember right now the full name of HSS, Heraus something...

LF7 is the map reference, and [Naunhof südlich Brandis] its transcription.

6000m : altitude of the successful attack

12.34: time of the attack

confirmed yes, C.2027/IIAnerk: Nr. : this means confirmed by the Luftwaffe victory confirmation system, a long process that may take years in some cases. This system broke in the second half of 1944. "C.2027/II" is the code number of the file listing the official confirmation, "Anerk: Nr." is supposed to list the "line" number in this file, but is empty here.
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Old 20th May 2009, 14:31
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Re: JG400

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On the other hand shooting down a damaged straggler was not considered as a full victory, and shoud be claimes as a "B-17 e.V.", e.V. being the initials of "final destruction" in German.
By the way, I dind't remember right now the full name of HSS, Heraus something...

confirmed yes, C.2027/IIAnerk: Nr. : this means confirmed by the Luftwaffe victory confirmation system
e.V. = endgültige Vernichtung (literally something like "ultimate annihilation")
HSS = Herausschuss = shooting out [from the group]

Better German speakers will correct me but I don't think "anerkannt" strictly means "confirmed" (that would be "bestätigt") but rather "acknowledged" or "recognised." This is a small point, I admit but maybe it matters to historians. The Claims Commission was saying that the claim met their criteria and could be added to the pilot's score (and points toward a medal). Using the word "confirmed" makes it sound like there definitely was a kill whereas we - with access to both sides' sources - know there quite often wasn't one.
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Old 20th May 2009, 15:03
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Re: JG400

I understood a victory was only awarded if the a/c was shot down.

The Germans used a points system for the awarding of decorations and promotions.

In effect only on the Western Front:
Aircraft Type AbschussDestroyed - Herrausschuss Separation - Entgültige Vernichtung Final Destruction
Single-engined
1 - 0 - 0
Twin-engined bomber
2 - 1 - 1/2
Four-engined bomber
3 - 2 - 1

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/jgscor.htm

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