Fake Tail Section and Swastika?

[David Ransome]

Hi Andy,

This was a wooden block perforated with holes that held the cartridges. On the inside was a metal cover, the outside was originally covered over with doped fabric/thick paper although some production photos show this being left off. If you find the original long thread you will find more explanation and illustrations. As you will note from the thread the holes were angled in such a way that if a cartridge went off the 'blast' would be deflected away from the aircraft - or at least that was the idea!

The Gardermoen aircraft will have had it although when I saw it the block was missing and the rectangular hole in the cockpit skin was the only evidence of it, couldn't say whether a block is now fitted or not.

Regards,

David

[Junkers88A1]

hi

as i mantioned above, i will not comment on the part if its real or fake because i have not seen it in real life. monitors does give a bad view and colours( but i can say one thing that does make me a bit puzeled ) the rivets are riveted from the outside and flattened on the back.. this is unusual on the german aircrafts i have seen. they usually have the round heads inside and flattened on the outside and then was grinded down to a smooth surface ) this the germans was experts with

now to the He 111. the small holes are for the flares ! and the outside is covered with fabric. in case of a fire the flarebox was jettisoned by pushing it out. its the same in the Ju 52 and all other bigger planes that the flarebox could be jettiosned !
allthough the Ju 52 and the Ju 88 has metalcovers on the outside and the boxses are springloaded so one just pull a handle and out goes the whole flareboxses !

i have done quite a lot on our He 111 as it was pretty fast and poorly restored so it has gotten a sexond restoration where this item was but back in place by me ( as it was missing and i managed to get hold on one from belgium )and during the planes repaint it also got the correct fabric cover on the outside ( one these pictures taken over different times one can see the box from the outside beeing white and red ( the middle part of it between the white and red was not yet painted when these pics was taken.. that is now very green ( lighter green that the fuselage..but the outer fabric is painted in the same fuselagepaint.. just realized that somehow that detail has been left out during my picturetaking over the years..hehe

the box is seen from the inside withe the leather Mg 15 sparepartkit mounted on the "door"
just behind it is the flares and one push and out the whole thing goes

attached also a picture of the flreboxses in the tail gunner compartment of the Ju 52- those are jettiosned by pulling a handle ( on top of the two tubes you see going down towards the flareholders

[Junkers88A1]

and thanks for the comments. we try oer best with what we got

the Ju 88 had a slightly better construction.. the falerboxses had a inner lids as well and did not make a gaping hole in the fusealega after jettiosn of flareboxes. and that would not give the fire more air to "breathe " in
the handle to jettiosn the Ju 88 flareboxes is just barely seen between the two partely open lids ( see small red part ) and when jettiosned the boxses will pop out on the side ( see the golden area on right side of fuselage..these pics are take some years ago so the parts look much better now

and the Ju 52..the early war years the Ju 52 used the twin barrel flaregun mounted in the back ( see picture ) and one can also see from the outside ( on the balkencross ) there is a flat area not corugated.. that is the flareboxses. and that area is jettisoned in case of fire ( this picture was take for another reason but does clearly show the flat area on the side of the fuselage )

welcome back anytime and let me know if you want to see the workshop if that was closed during your visit

i hope this maks thing clearer for you

[David Ransome]

Hi,

Thanks for the excellent pictures! I can see that you have added a lot of extra detail/parts/accessories which were left off or not fitted after the original restoration. Great work that I'm sure many will appreciate - it would be nice to see the RAF museum example done to the same standard - and I'm not criticising the volunteers - more the lack of funds and marketing direction.

Regards,

David

[obdl3945]

Hi, Junkers Ju88A1...

Just have to say... that He111 is a wonderful restoration job, and the Ju52 as well. I've never been to visit the museum, but you're seriously putting me in the mood for a holiday to Norway... !

Really looking forward to seeing the Ju88 when restored. I've looked in on your websit a few times now, and again, wonderful work being done on that aircraft. Keep up the great work.

Regards...

Paul

[Junkers88A1]

thanks for the comments its lot of love put into the Ju 88, he 111 and Ju 52
and they are really starting to get back to there former glory. i have this thing about details.. just love them. and the He 111 lacked most of the details on its former restoration ! so we made a second go at it. ( and it REALLY had to be repainted..as i hated that grey He 111..there never was such a grey He 111..and they used the grey primer as "how" it was ) i would love to see the He 111 and Ju 88 in england also been re-restored again and get all its details back.. but i know one of the problems is that the volenteers are not allowed to work highr that shoulderheighs and are not allowed into the aircrafts..so then ..who bothers to work at them. i know a guy ( a friend of mine who USED to work as a volenteer) who brought several missing parts to the Bf 110 and Ju 87 there..but he was not allowed into the aircrafts to put them in place.. so he took them with him back home and quit !
right now we are concentrating mostely on the Ju 88 but also the Ju 52. seatcovers are up next and leathercushions and covers to the cockpiseats. but its pretty much getting close to complete. and our Ju 52 is now the only Ju 52 in the world with all 4 Mg 15`s mounted and also with all the drums that went with it. but there is still some items missing on the bordfunkerposition ( we have them..but they are stored in trondheim in the Dora bunkers and its just a matter of time and logistics to get them back to the museum.. but they will be put in place ) and all the eletric systems are back up and running on the Ju 52.
the main problem with the He 111 is that it was restored and the details was left out..so its hard to put the details back in certain places unless one take apart the whole thing. but with the Ju 52 and the Ju 88 this is not a problem since this is incorperated from the beginning of the restoration

and again thanks for the comments

and i guess this thread went straight of the tracks.. lol

[Junkers88A1]

and since i am at it.. when we decided to repaint the He 111 we started claning it and to our big suprise it turned out that they had just painted the fuselage grey in the 70`s without stripping it..so every line was visible thru the grey paint.. so the cammo pattern is a 100% match on how it was. we just followed the original lines.and also the C on top of the fuselage ( will never be seen by anybody except me and a few others who work on it..and now you..) was cleary visible under the grey paint..also the C on the wings ( top ) but they were there there so its back in place ) hope you in here like what i have done with the planes. the decals ( yes they are decals) on the wheels are also back in place.. and the originals also used decals on the wheels that was overpainted with clear protective coat ) our decals are remade 100% macth from the originals ! ( we have one original wheel with all in place ) and the arrow is handpainted like the original.. but still a long way to go before i am pleased.

we are not 100% sure that it had the werknumber painted on the vertical but we decided to add it ! as most had it and it looks good

[CCNCCN]

Fantastic job Junkers88A1. I've always wanted to go to Norway - now I really do!

[Junkers88A1]

thanks CCNCCN and welcome any time

[Andy Saunders]

I see from another forum where this issue cropped up that the buyer of this artefact (who apparently has both sides?) has been given a full refund by the vendor.

See here:

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=93003

See here also for a tale of some other fakery and e-bay profiteering:

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=89535