5./KG76 Emblem?

[obdl3945]

Hi...

Interesting topic, albeit it a little confusing... !

I, too, have seen a photo of a Do17Z with an eight-sided star, part of Ed West's contribution of 29 September this year. I have it as 'unit unknown', so is this the one you're referring to, Chris?

I have to agree with Byron and Steve, though... why all the secrecy about the 5.Staffel emblem?

Regards...

Paul

[ChrisS]

Yes I believe that's the very one!

[obdl3945]

This, then...

In addition, Doug and Larry's excellent Bomber units of the Luftwaffe 1933-45 vol 2 (Classic) on page 244 shows the Rampant Lion emblem, which you thought was III.Gruppe/KG76, Chris, as being exactly that, and at the top of page 227, a wave-patterned Ju88C-6 carrying the same emblem (minus the 'Heidelberg' legend above it) attributed to 9.Staffel/KG76. Doug and Larry also attribute the 'three upward arrows' insignia, on page 237, once believed to be 9./KG76 and now possibly 5.Staffel, to actually being 9.Staffel.

If nothing else, it definitely shows how easy it is to become confused...

Regards


Paul

[steve sheridan]

Hi Paul, many thanks for posting that picture, i must have missed that.
Perhaps the secret may now be unveiled!

Best regs,
Steve.

[obdl3945]

Hi, Steve...

No problem... .

Paul

[ChrisS]

Yes Paul thanks, that's the picture I have. I didn't post as I could recall who had sent it, and why I have it as 6./KG 76 I do not know, perhaps someone mentioned to me at the time.

So the three arrow emblem could still be 9./KG76. Certainly Karl Reis thought so and he had many contacts with surviving veterans. Do we have any photos with codes and emblem?

Chris

[Clint Mitchell]

5./KG76 emblem

Chris, I believe someone mentioned that in Chris Goss's "Do17 Operations in Focus" book published by Red Kite, there are 5-6 photos of damaged F1+HN with the upward 3 arrow emblem on the nose. Sadly I do not own the book to confirm this. I think I will buy the book as I really do need to know what the emblem of 5./KG76 is.

Clint

[obdl3945]

Hi, Chris...

Sadly, no... and we must bear in mind Robert's comment from page one of this thread, that there are photos of aircraft attributed to 5.Staffel carrying this emblem, one such being on page 50 of Chris Goss's Dornier 17 in Focus (Red Kite).

Perhaps Larry or Doug could shed some light on this one, given that they've used it in their publication and attributed it to 9.Staffel?

Paul

[ChrisS]

Hi Clint and Paul

I have the book (I had forgotten I had it) and yes on page 50 the photos are clearly a very badly damaged F1+HN with what has been described, in the past, as a 9./KG76 three arrow emblem. Discounting a transfer of aircraft between the two staffels, with a former emblem not removed, one must conclude that this emblem is in fact 5. Staffel. None of the other photos I have with this emblem show alpha codes that would skew the argument in favour of the 9./KG76 direction. So unless other photos exist showing 9./KG76 association...................

By the way I must recommend this book (ISBN 0-9546201-4-3, in truth I had not really taken much notice of it, some very nice photos. Chris/Red Kite should be congratulated in bringing so many good well reproduced images together with informative captions at such a reasonable price.

Chris

[Clint Mitchell]

Thanks for the recommendation Chris just bagged it for £9.73 at amazon.

Glad we have confirmed the identity of 5./KG76.

Clint