eBAy: Captured german planes

[Snautzer]

Ju88 RAF roundel https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-German...gAAOSwKAJbQpjY
Bf109G trop https://www.ebay.com/itm/G-I-Snap-Sh...kAAOSwsh5bQnUo
Fw190 https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-photo-...UAAOSwxDtbRiKy

[RudiS]

https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/G-I-pos...19.m1438.l2649



https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/G-I-Sna...19.m1438.l2649

[edNorth]

Please dear friends.

I have complaint. Your / eBay listings here / are causing us who collect them pay more, and fight each others - and I have recieved complaints about that from three other collectors - and IDs from here have been used used "as excuse" to raise start-prices. Seriously.

Most/many of your listings are also not all that intresting, also many are well known, like Ju 88 PI+SX abowe, his brothers and sisters, have been mentioned or posted on many times, and not worthy of further discussion. These are wrecks and have no further history but scrapping. Period.

I urge you to show some restraint, as I find this eBay posting on TOCH! is becoming kind of advertizing board, and raising prises on us. Recent confirmation is where a poster asked for info, and seller of next picture in lot raised price dramatically. Then marked is skewed, and those not knowing or visiting this board are at a disadvantage.

I urge you to show great restraint in posting, please ask your friends or experts by normal email if item really is historical, questionable or even worthy of posting. And writing designation wrongly is ... lousy. Laziness.

I ask because nearly everybody with age 9 knowledge of German and Google fu can do it themselvs. Here is how to do it. You do not need to register. Looking is free (pay internet provider for certain amount of data?, use eBay as fillup on unused bytes).

Samples: https://www.ebay.de/ https://www.ebay.com/

German words worthy of search are "Flugzeug" & "Foto" etc. Make your own list of words, pin it to board next to computer and start searching. Its eazy and fun. New item´s every week. I rarely miss a interesting item.

Then using words like "Heinkel", "Dornier", and you will see many items that seller do not even care of listing their by correct subject. Looking for "Junkers", you also need check "Heinkel", "Dornier" etc.

Ed

[ouidjat]

Sorry Ed,

Are you the "Temple's guard"?
For how many years TOCH is giving eBay listing? For which reason this suddenly start to be a problem, and for who?
I think we are here to exchange comments about new pictures to give or to read explanations about all members interests.
And if you don't like pictures already put in auction times ago, just think you are not the only member of this forum thus, for some, if not many, members these pictures are new.

I own you an advice: If you don't like it .. leave it. Isn't it a good idea?
If you believe - I mean really believe - that talking about new auctions may raise the interest, hence the prices, you're wrong.

If one is ready to put 1230 Euros for an early K-4 or 3730 Euros for a rare Me262 authentic (sic) picture - amazingly it's the same guy in fact - it's his own problem and he doesn't care about what we are talking about here.
And do you know why? For a simple reason: He and other bidders are looking for rarities WITHOUT our help! And the prices will raise the same way.

Be good!

[RudiS]

Originally Posted by edNorth

Most/many of your listings are also not all that intresting, also many are well known, like Ju 88 PI+SX abowe, his brothers and sisters, have been mentioned or posted on many times, and not worthy of further discussion. These are wrecks and have no further history but scrapping. Period.

Things that are not of interest to you, might be of interest to others, Ed. Not everybody have the same interest in the Luftwaffe, let alone know as much about the Luftwaffe as you do.

Originally Posted by edNorth

I urge you to show some restraint, as I find this eBay posting on TOCH! is becoming kind of advertizing board, and raising prises on us.

Could you give me an example? And how do you know that these other bidders didn't get their info from the LRG? Or that they didn't find these items themself on eBay?

Originally Posted by edNorth

I urge you to show great restraint in posting, please ask your friends or experts by normal email if item really is historical, questionable or even worthy of posting.

You mean we should not post things before we have yours and some other collectors' permission who possibly would like to bid on these photos themselfs? How can you garantee us that they will NOT give the go ahead for posting interesting photos in order to get them cheaply themselfs?

And is all of this just for the captured Germans planes thread or also applicable on the "Germen interest" thread?

[ouidjat]

Originally Posted by RudiS

And is all of this just for the captured Germans planes thread or also applicable on the "Germen interest" thread?

You do mean edWest listing, for example?..
But Ed (West) always did protect new discoveries, I mean VERY interesting, by giving the links .. AFTER the end of bids.

And there are more interesting situations in this "game".
Some are treating directly with sellers asking them to withdraw auctions. It works!
Sellers are selling through "private" auctions.
Sellers who advise you they have "something" and going to put in auction, just for you....
I've been the beneficiary of such "help" ... And more, since in one case the seller didn't want to sell/send to the country where I lived, I did ask one of TOCH member, living in the right country, to pay for me - after I had bid, indeed - to get the picture and forward to me ... And he kindly did even if, sometimes, we did had arguments in this forum.

The fact being EdNorth is living on another planet; an old planet without web, computers, scanners indeed and other modern tools.

Broadly speaking we all live in a collectors' world. I discovered this starting to "work" and publish in and for a French review where JY Lorant - a friend of us, at least a friend of mine - was editor assistant at the end of the 70s.
And I discovered that "collectors" - whatever the subject - are liars, selfish, envious, paranoids, petty and miserly, and ready to steal objects and ideas (I'm not talking about JYL)
And, the only way "collectors" have to protect their "statute" is to dispraise ...

Franck.

[RudiS]

Originally Posted by ouidjat

You do mean edWest listing, for example?..
But Ed (West) always did protect new discoveries, I mean VERY interesting, by giving the links .. AFTER the end of bids.

Hi Franck,
I was referring tot he links of edwest2 & Snautzer in the "German interest" thread. These are very much live auctions. Even the onces you have posted are live auctions onces.

[Roger Gaemperle]

I am one who collects and who also does research.

First, people are free to post anything they like (as long as it is legal content of course, which is the case with aircraft photos).

Then, while at first I was afraid that such listings would increase prices, I did not notice any increase. Prices went up and down over time when new collectors joined the marked or old ones left. For the most sought after photos it is often the same small group of collectors who would have found them anyways and may not even check this thread. As far as I’m concerned, I did find about 80-90% myself and of the remaining 10/20% there were only few where I bid. So, why do I read and support this thread at all then?

That brings me to in my opinion the best argument to continue this thread: often the TOCH community collectively revealed interesting new insights about many of these photos. The collective knowledge is much larger than any individual’s.

So, please continue and thanks all for your insight and contributions.

[ouidjat]

Thanks Roger,

I was just going to post this:
"I really feel your pain Ed.
You’re so full of rage and frustration you don’t realize what you write or what you read.
Where did you see complaint in my post?
I just wrote you’re wrong and I wrote it the most educated way possible in such circumstances.
Say that to Südek a.k.a. Archive of Modern Conflict the real – one of – subject of your grievances.
…
As for what you missed, just inform your, few, friends you’re binding on this or that … They won’t; The same way I’m doing... Because yes I buy, not a lot but I do, something you obviously don’t know – but for any obscure reasons you think I don’t – and I do it to publish - Surprising isn’t it - or to share with friends.
…
Last but not least it seems, or show me I’m wrong, and this is the funny part of your post:
If for you it’s enough to share news by mail, to comment by mail … What are you doing in this forum?
If you ask people here to share by mail and comment by mail instead of doing it here.. Why, then, do we need a forum?"

So I won't !

And, as it seems we are in good company, you just answer to my last (but not least) very question.
If I dare, I'd like to mimic Marc's last comment which was:
"The way you answer to Ouidjat is - unfortunately for you - your signature"
Here it comes:
The way you answer to us, Roger, is - fortunately for us - your signature .. as usual.
Another good reason to continue here; to find good company!

Regards,
Franck.

[Snautzer]

Dont feed a throll.