NAG 12 pilots

[RT]

Quite interesting list, some questions araise

Gef. Ludwig Palme Bf.109G-6 (20684) White 3 – KIA LK Spitfire, Brindisi


20694 ??




05.05.1944 Oblt.Rudolf Scholl Bf.109G-5 (110217) White 8 – KIA LK Spitfire, NE Bari

110217 Wn comes from ??, an 110217 was accepted by the NAGr.13 on 17.mai 1944, but as this plane is known to hv been in service with NAG12 , doubt that he was transfered in France ..


23.06.1944 Ofw.Arthur Geyer Bf.109G-6 (18878) White 7 – KIA LK Spitfire, NW Vlore


20.08.1944 Uffz.Helmut Wittenberg Bf.109G-6 (18678) White 2 - MIA Mostar

Where hv you founded these 2 ??


20.02.1945 Ofw.Hans Wunderlich Bf.109G-8 ( 200669) White 10 – KIFA C/L Zagreb


Agram/pleso Übersch, L BF109G-8 200699 ???

23.02.1945 Stfw. Karl Neubauer Bf.108 (5118) GK+RK - KIA Shot down by own AA
Uffz. Karl Wiborg


Zapresic Agram nordwestl, Eig, FFL BF108 5519 ????


25.02.1945 Uffz.Heinich Voss Bf.109G-10 (510580) White 8 KIA Absturz E Rijeka



F Fiume b Eig, FFL BF109G-6 41080 100 x Voss heinrich

Remi

[Tomislav Haramincic]

Hello Bruce,

Thank you for sharing your loss date. I compared it to my own list and I have as well a few deviations:

Originally Posted by Bruce Lander

03.01.1944 Gef. Ludwig Palme Bf.109G-6 (20684) White 3 – KIA LK Spitfire, Brindisi

Here I have, as Remi, WNr.20694 listed.


23.06.1944 Ofw.Arthur Geyer Bf.109G-6 (18878) White 7 – KIA LK Spitfire, NW Vlore[/quote]

I have this WNr. as lost already on the 06.10.1943
Bf 109G-6 WNr.18878 06.10.43 8./JG77 Uffz. Heinz Kindervater (†), Luftkampf - Absturz, in die See (zwischen La Spezia und Metato) - 100% KN+CY

Originally Posted by Bruce Lander

20.08.1944 Uffz.Helmut Wittenberg Bf.109G-6 (18678) White 2 - MIA Mostar

Two entries for this one
Bf 109G-6 WNr.18678 26.08.43 II./JG53 (/.), Bombenwurf, Fl.Pl. Cancello - 100%
Bf 109G-6 WNr.18678 09.09.43 II./JG53 N.N., von Briten gefunden - Schrott, Grazzaniese,

Originally Posted by Bruce Lander

20.02.1945 Ofw.Hans Wunderlich Bf.109G-8 ( 200669) White 10 – KIFA C/L Zagreb

I have also this loss with the WNr. as 200699
Bf 109G-8 WNr.200699 20.02.45 1./NAGr12 Ofw. Hans Wunderlich (†), Überschlag bei Landung, Fl.Pl. Agram-Pleso - 40% ws.10+

Originally Posted by Bruce Lander

23.02.1945 Stfw. Karl Neubauer Bf.108 (5118) GK+RK - KIA Shot down by own AA
Uffz. Karl Wiborg

WNr.5519 should be the correct one, as this WNr. belongs to a Bf 108B-1 produced by SNCAN and coded GK+RK

Originally Posted by Bruce Lander

25.02.1945 Uffz.Heinich Voss Bf.109G-10 (510580) White 8 KIA Absturz E Rijeka

The WNr. found in the GQM list is 41080, which is obviously incomplet. Your 510580 is possible but also questionable because it is not a G-10, but close to a G-6 production block.

best rergards,
Tomislav

[Bruce Lander]

Hi Remi + Tomislav,

thanks for your replies, I got the original lists in 1981 from a German engineer I became friendly with when I was working on a big project with Atlas Copco/Davy McKee in Cologne. The lists were hand written and some of the letters/numbers were a bit ambiguous and accordingly could have been mis-read by me.
He gave me loss lists for Erg Gr Sud, SKG10, JG.4 and SG.4 for the Mediterranean area 1943 - 45 all which are possibly suffering from the same mis-reading !

Cheers

Bruce Lander

[raus_punk]

oi!

Does anyone from You have maybe some more info about Uffz.Heinrich Voss, maybe photo of him, or of plane or anything else. I was on his crash site and found there few parts.

thanks
Raus