Need help identifying pilot of 1940 Bf110 from 8./ZG76 with 7 victories

[Johannes]

Hi

Simple answer is nobody. The Micro Films for 8./ZG76 are neatly typed out, and very legible, yet nobody with this staffel had achieved seven kills by September 1940!

Regards

Johannes

[Jim P.]

The only thing I can add to this conversation is that WNr. 2803 had a history - I have to two loss reports for this machine:

Bf 110C-1, 2803, n.n., , , V.(Z), LG 1, , , , , 04-Sep-40, Notlandung due to Luftkampf with enemy fighters., , Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #2)-Vol.3; Taghon, LG 1, I, p.429; Mason, p.349, , bei Abbeville, 50%, F, , ,
Bf 110C-1, 2803, n.n., , , IV., NJG 6, , , , , 15-Feb-44, Damaged, cause unknown., , Nachtjagd Balkans, Roba/Craciunoiu, La Chasse de Nuit Germano-Roumaine, p.93, , Fl.Pl. Zilistea, 20%, F, , ,

[robert]

Johannes,

where did you find claim list of III./ZG76?

Regards

Robert

[John Vasco]

Originally Posted by Jim P.

The only thing I can add to this conversation is that WNr. 2803 had a history - I have to two loss reports for this machine:

Bf 110C-1, 2803, n.n., , , V.(Z), LG 1, , , , , 04-Sep-40, Notlandung due to Luftkampf with enemy fighters., , Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #2)-Vol.3; Taghon, LG 1, I, p.429; Mason, p.349, , bei Abbeville, 50%, F, , ,
Bf 110C-1, 2803, n.n., , , IV., NJG 6, , , , , 15-Feb-44, Damaged, cause unknown., , Nachtjagd Balkans, Roba/Craciunoiu, La Chasse de Nuit Germano-Roumaine, p.93, , Fl.Pl. Zilistea, 20%, F, , ,

Jim,
Wrong W. Nr. ...

[Jim P.]

John, you're right. How the heck did I do that?

Bf 110C-4, 2083, n.n., , III., III., ZG 76, , , , , 10-Jan-41, Bauchlandung due to tire damage., , Lfl.5/Norwegen, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #3)-Vol.4, , Stavenger, 30%, H, , ,

[Larry Hickey]

Hello all,

This proves that W.Nr.2083 was the successor a/c to the earlier 2N+AN. Now to confirm the pilot was that flew this a/c marked with 7 victory tabs @ 9.40 during the Battle of Britain. Any help there?

Regards,

[Evgeny Velichko]

Gentlmen: this are the only photos of Herbert I have. These were taken in 42-43, I beleive in 1940 (on photo in front of 2N+AN) he looks much younger

Jim: 2083 was C-2, not C-4.

[John Vasco]

Originally Posted by Evgeny Velichko

Jim: 2083 was C-2, not C-4.

Evgeny,

If I may explain.
The C-2 had the MG-FF 20 mm Kanonen fitted.
The C-4 had the MG-FF/M 20 mm Kanonen fitted.
The Petrick/Mankau table of W. Nr. in their book is taken from factory lists.
During the Battle of Britain, many 'C' variants were recorded in the loss/damage lists at unit level as 'C-4', but a check of the Petrick/Mankau list gives them as 'C-2'.
It is my view that during the production run of the C-2 (for which the factory held the paper records), the MG-FF/M became available, and so the MG-FF/M were fitted, and they were shipped out as 'C-4's.

Hence, the W. Nr. in the original records for 2083 shows 'C-2', but the damage report Jim has quoted shows 'C-4'.