Soviet naval aircraft type

[Graham Boak]

The other distinctive feature showing this is a Pe2 not a Yak 4 is the mid-fuselage gunner's position.

What is unusual is the red star on the upper wing. Supposedly these were not carried.

[researcher111]

Graham, I fully agree with you regarding the type and the red star, however some of the VMF Northern & Black see fleet PE-2 dispatched from the Irkutsk factory may have carried such though as you stated was unusual .

[researcher111]

Gabor, like always is very good to see you again and hear your valuable opinions, ok so when was this logo introduced ?

[HGabor]

Right now I do not remember exactly, but probably in 1943. I have to check. First they had the simple red star, then red star with black outline, then red star with white edge, finally white (silver) edge with a narrow red outline. Have to look into dates. Cheers,

Gabor

[researcher111]

köszönöm / bolschoy spasibah Gabor

[John Beaman]

Originally Posted by researcher111

köszönöm / bolschoy spasibah Gabor

Please post in English unless you are quoting an original docment. If so, please source it.

[HGabor]

Well, the white border red star became common by the end of 1942, while it co-existed for some months with the thin black border red star. Later the white border became very thick, especially on tail markings it was almost as wide as the small star itself. Silver borders (and occasionally some decorative yellow borders) are known too, but the white was the most common. The victory, or outline star (red star with wide white border and a thin red outline) was the main standard in 1944-45, in the final phase of the war. The fancy 'Kremlin star', ~3D type, shadowed star was also used on special planes, or guards units. But the bottom line is that this white border star on the Pe-2 in the picture was much later than 1941.

...and if we speak of markings... A very common error in Lavochkin La-5 and La-7 decals that they make factory applied white fuselage numbers with red outline! No, those large and white La-5 and La-7 tactical fuselage numbers, painted on still at the factories (as the last 2 digits of the aircraft serial numbers), so these white numbers had DARK BLUE border, or outline, NOT RED! Cheers,

Gabor

[Massimo Tessitori]

Surely a Pe-2 for the turret and the navigator's hatch. Besides Yak-4 had not a rounded rear fuselage, and it was of mixed construction as the Yak fighters.
Interesting detail, the unusual red stars over the wings. I've already seen a photo of a Pe-2 with these unusual stars, perhaps they were typical of some unit.
Regards
Massimo

[researcher111]

Maybe this will inspire you for a new painting

[researcher111]

The post expressed thanks .