P-51 loss on 2 April 1945

[pdame141]

All:

Absent another good candidate, I concur with Alex that Lt. Sodermark's F-6 fits the bill. By way of further check, I ran the coordinates given in MACR 13654 through the grid conversion tool at http://www.echodelta.net/mbs/eng-welcome.php.

The first grid given (R-7868) corresponds to the town of Waldangelloch, and the next (R-7795) is further north, which corresponds with Lt. Schutt's report that he and Sodermark turned north towards U.S. lines after Sodermark was hit. Morever, both R-7868 and R-7795 show as almost due South of Lohrback where the crash is recorded.

Moreover, based on the maps I can find of the U.S. ground offensive in this area of Germany, this area was a very fluid frontline area 1-3 April 1945 that would likely call for armed recce attention.

None of this explains the apparent discrepancy between the MACR compiled on 3 April 1945 that unequivocally states that the mission on which Lt. Sodermark was lost took place on Easter Sunday 1 April 1945 and the equally unequivocal statement on the German website Laurent found that states the crash happened on Easter Monday 2 April 1945.

Best regards,
Paul

[ssg keay]

Personally, i am not sure I have the right guy here, but I have the IDPF for a LT Carl A. Sodermark, a member of a TAC Recon Sqdn, who was buried at Unterschwarzbach, with an estimated DoD of 31 March 1844. That is a good 250km SE of the original site of Loehrbach. Grid there is given as R906867. Danny

[ssg keay]

Oh, and he was buried first by the US at the temp. cemetery at Bensheim.

[ssg keay]

A big, fat AHA. Using the calculator provided by Paul, it turns out to be the town of Schwarzbach, which is about 30km due SSE from Loehbach. So that fits better and makes sense. Danny

[Peter Randall]

Afraid you are running around in circles gents! The photo in the German article shows the 26 November incident at Steeple Morden. Goodness only knows how they associated this 2SF P-51 with the german forced landing. Very poor quality photo becuse I could only photocopy at the time at NARA, but you will see that it matches the German photo exactly, save for the information having been cropped of the bottom.

[pdame141]

Danny:

I'm pretty sure that's our guy. To remove doubt, his ASN from the MACR was O-816947 and he was assigned to the 111th Tactical Recon Squadron flying out of Azelot, France when he was shot down.

Are there any further details on his recovery in the IDPF? The website that Laurent references indicates that a spotter plane landed near the crash prior to recovery of Lt. Sodermark by follow-on troops.

Best regards,
Paul

[Laurent Rizzotti]

Thanks to everybody

I agree that Lt Sodermark might be the right man. The MACR was written just two days after his loss, but there is nothing in it about efforts to find him, maybe because he was found shortly later. So he might be the man in the story of the German website, one day of difference by the German witness being understandable.

The original burial location of Bensheim is close enough. If a spotter plane (identified as a Storch by the German witness, but probably an American Piper Cub) landed and took the wounded/died pilot, it is not so far away, even by road.

Bensheim was taken by the 45th Infantry Division on 27 March 1945. The 103rd US Infantry Division was also there, but only later (after 7 April 1945). So I will now search confirmation of this story in 45th Division papers and stories.

Edited: the 45th Infantry Division went NE and was no more there on 1 April 1945, at least most of it. Troops of US XXI Corps (12th Armored, 4th and 42nd Infantry Divisions) were also in the area. So a lot of possibilities to find a needle...

[ssg keay]

I think he was buried by Germans at Bensheim and it quite possibly was a Storch as I doubt the Americans would have buried him in Bensheim. But then again, I think that Bensheim had a US Military Mausoleum, so who knows.

Alas, the IDPF is lacking any information, as the pilot was returned to his family in the US. Most IDPFs from returned personnel have had most of the original IDPF removed and replaced by the transport, internment and inventory documents.

Sorry I could not be of more help. Danny

[Laurent Rizzotti]

Originally Posted by ssg keay

I think he was buried by Germans at Bensheim and it quite possibly was a Storch as I doubt the Americans would have buried him in Bensheim.

During the war, US forces, like other belligerents, created many cemeteries to bury their soldiers where they fell, or near by. These casualties were then reburied after the war, in the US or in some big war cemeteries depending of the family wishes.

[Alex Smart]

Hello SSG Keay,

I see from your earlyier post (9) that you have the IDPF. Date by the way should read estimated DoD of 31st March 1945 I think, not 1844, unless at the time they used a possible 1 year + 1 day rule i.e 30th March 1944 becomes 31st March 1945, but 1844 ?

From my own experience it takes over a year to receive an IDPF when requested. In some cases the MACR is part of the report as are the German KU reports, Body injuries etc in full, Travell arrangements including accompanying officers name(s) etc funeral parlor name and even down to number of rounds fired at the final Home interment.

If at all possible would you be so kind as to send copy to me ?
My email is alexATsmart98.freeserve.co.uk
@ in place of AT as per usual.

Many thanks
Alex