Unit ID help - 1./FUG III

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by edNorth

... but FuG had lowercase, not uppercase.

Lowercase or uppercase is uninteresting ... you haven't in German an "Ubung" or "Uberwachung" as you know since your graduation from "German 101" for sure ... but for example an "Unterstützung".

[AndreasB]

Originally Posted by Larry deZeng

AndreasB wrote in part: Companies in Arabic, Battalions and Abteilungen in Roman, and Regiments in Arabic?

Brainfart, sorry, of course you are right. So this would be 1. Kp. 3rd Battalion.

Originally Posted by Larry deZeng

1. Exactly where was this unit and what is the date of this document?
2. What are the contextual particulars surrounding it's appearance on this document?
3. What command or other authority prepared and issued the document?

1. It was in North Africa, mid-December 1941

2. It had come over with Sperrverband Daumiller as an emergency measure. Sperrverband Daumiller was an element of Sonderverband 288, which was originally established for use in Iraq, but came to late for that campaign.

It is possible this unit was either attached to it on arrival (in which case it might have belonged to Luftnachrichtenregiment 4, which had a detachment in North Africa?), or it was already part of it. At the time there was serious concern about the LRDG strikes and enemy patrols deep behind the Axis lines, where this unit operated.

Bit more detail here

3. It was prepared by the staff of 90th Light Division.

All the best

Andreas

[edNorth]

Maybe radio monitoring unit (equvilent to Y-Service)

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cberwachung
http://www.freeware-tipps.ch/flightr...berwachen.html

Rasmussen sounds a bit Danish ?

[Seaplanes]

Found a similar sign in the record (Akte) 62 in Findbuch OKH 12451 in the German -Russian document Project, Taktishe Zeichen des Heeres, Luftwaffe und Kriegsmarine and given as Funkstelle der Luftwaffe.

[AndreasB]

That's excellent, many thanks!

All the best

Andreas

[Larry deZeng]

AndreasB -

So we have 1. Funkstelle III appearing in a 90. leichte Div. Kriegsgliederung of mid-December 1941. Is it off to the side of the page all by itself, or does it seem to be attached to one of the larger units on the page? Does the page show a "III. Btl." of something? If not, then the "III" may well represent the III./Ln.-Rgt. 2 or III./Ln.-Rgt. 40, much more likely the latter. In the functional KStN of a Luftnachrichten-Rgt., the III. Abt. was always the Funkhorch Abteilung and all of the Kompanien assigned to it were Funkhorch-Kpn. Ln.-Rgt. 2 was just arriving in Italy and Sicily in Dec 41, coming from Russia. On the other hand, Ln.-Rgt. 40 belonged to X. Fliegerkorps and was already located in Greece in mid-1941 and did in fact send a lot of detachments to North Africa. So now, if it is from III./Ln.-Rgt. 40, it would be some sort of a small radio intercept unit. But this is all speculation as the "III" may be something entirely different.

L.

[AndreasB]

Thanks a lot Larry. Here is the full document for context. I think LN40 seems most likely then, given that SV Daumiller flew over from Greece.

All the best

Andreas

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by edNorth

Rasmussen sounds a bit Danish ?

It's Danish --- Jørgen Skafte Rasmussen.

[edNorth]

Just speculating ...
It has dot at end ("FUG.") indicating an abbrevation, to me saying it may be up to three words (Funk, Flug, Fern), Ueberwachung (!) but the G eludes me.
The F part (for Funkstelle) seems right to me.

[Larry deZeng]

Yes, the period after the "G" does muddy the water.

I also find it strange that the entire bottom row shows the number of semi-independent Züge attached to the Regiment, except for the Luftwaffe unit. This leads me to conclude that the period after the "1." is a typo and there is a good reason for that. In an Ln.-Rgt., 1. Kp. was a Betriebs-Kp. and was always under the I. Abt. Never under the III. Abt. Secondly, if all the others in the row are without a period and simply indicate the number of Züge of that particular type, then why is the Luftwaffe one different? Lastly, organic Züge were numbered with Roman numerals and not Arabic numbers. So the first Zug in a Kompanie would be written as "I. Zug/3. Kp. d. III. Btl."

L.