Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Allied and Soviet Air Forces

Allied and Soviet Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the Air Forces of the Western Allies and the Soviet Union.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 5th March 2019, 11:21
CENTURION CENTURION is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Italy
Posts: 122
CENTURION is on a distinguished road
Re: Which P-47 was shot down by German Pilot Ziesmann?

Hello Rolf,

I think Chris and Horst are right.
12 P-47s of G.C.II/3 "Dauphinè" took off at 9.30 to bomb a railway track between Belfort and Altkirch. Suddenly, over the target area, two Bf.109s bounced the aircraft of adjudant-chef Le Guennec. The hydraulic line on the left wing was hit and a trail of black smoke poured from the P-47.
Despite this, the French pilot was able to return and land safely at Lyon-Bron airport.
Regards.

Marco


Source: "Pilotes Francais sur l'Alsace et l'Allemagne"
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 5th March 2019, 19:09
Rolfeb Rolfeb is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: South Germany
Posts: 471
Rolfeb is on a distinguished road
Re: Which P-47 was shot down by German Pilot Ziesmann?

First of all, thanks a lot to all who replied to my questions.

Marco, thanks for the explanation and source where you found the info.
Sounds very logical to me.
Thanks again
Rolf
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 5th March 2019, 22:00
Rolfeb Rolfeb is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: South Germany
Posts: 471
Rolfeb is on a distinguished road
Re: Which P-47 was shot down by German Pilot Ziesmann?

First of all, thanks a lot to all who replied to my questions.

Marco, thanks for the explanation and source where you found the info.
Sounds very logical to me.
Thanks again
Rolf
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 3rd March 2019, 17:27
KM1957 KM1957 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 346
KM1957 is on a distinguished road
Re: Which P-47 was shot down by German Pilot Ziesmann?

Here are the 9th AF P-47 losses with approximate locations, all were thought to be flak related except for Pelletier and Miller, but MACR locations are not always reliable.
44-19862 was Cole (36 FG) lost near Grevenbroich.
42-26462 was Greer (365 FG) crashed west of Eschweiler.
44-200090 was Phillips (366 FG) bailed out south of Nothberg.
44-20084 was Lund (366 FG) lost near Euskirchen.
42-28892 was Schaeffer (366 FG) lost near Grosshau.
42-76484 was Knauss (368 FG) last seen near Heistern.
42-28373 was Goss (405 FG) hit northwest of Saarunion.
42-29198 was Miller (405 FG) lost a wing near St. Avold.
42-27308 was Pelletier (405 FG) lost near Dieuze, shot down by a Me 109.
44-20085 was Sams (405 FG) lost near Bliesbruck.
42-28911 was Woods (406 FG) lost east of Metz.
Tuck was killed in a non-operational flight.
The 370 FG lost a P-38 near Andernach and the 474 FG lost two P-38's due to FW 190's near Scheidt and Bonn.

Kent
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 3rd March 2019, 17:31
KM1957 KM1957 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 346
KM1957 is on a distinguished road
Re: Which P-47 was shot down by German Pilot Ziesmann?

Just to clarify on Miller (405 FG) and his loss--he was involved in the aerial fight but was killed afterwards while strafing. His plane clipped a tree and lost a wing. That leaves Pelletier as the sole 9th Air Force P-47 loss this day due to enemy aircraft.

Kent
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 7th March 2019, 09:03
Rolfeb Rolfeb is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: South Germany
Posts: 471
Rolfeb is on a distinguished road
Re: Which P-47 was shot down by German Pilot Ziesmann?

Hi Leo and Horst,
From Marco’s post I understand that the French pilot was hit by a Me 109 but made it back to the base.
Now we have a crash site near Boron of a P-47. This is confusing me a bit.
Seems odd me that we have 2 different planes or combats but nut sure.
Thanks again for your answers and hope we can clarify.
Rolf
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Unknown German pilot, Aug. 29,1944 seesul Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 13 3rd October 2019 17:57
Allied pilot shot on the ground by Luftwaffe pilot after being shot down in aerial combat jiri Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 16 4th December 2015 21:13
True air combat records of Spanish Civil War? GuerraCivil Pre-WW2 Military and Naval Aviation 11 30th December 2014 01:58
RAF raid on Gdynia, 18/19 Dec 1944 alkali Allied and Soviet Air Forces 9 5th January 2012 08:06


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 19:47.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net