Translations, please

[bill norman]

Again, thanks to all - and especially Hihotte, Joschi and Nickdorf. Now only Flamasch remains. Any ideas?

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by bill norman

Again, thanks to all - and especially Hihotte, Joschi and Nickdorf. Now only Flamasch remains. Any ideas?

Just guessing but how about "Flak Maschinenegewehr" - anti-aircraft machine gun?

[ChrisMAg2]

Bill,
could you please post the complete sentence and how exactely "Flamsch" is spelled. A picture of the sentence could be helpful too, if it were written in "Sütterlin".
Like this the options could be like
•Flamasch+??? as Flugabwehrmaschinen+???? =AAmachine???
•FlammSchutz for flame-proof or -protection
or even nothing of these at all.

[ChrisMAg2]

Originally Posted by Nick Beale

"Flak Maschinenegewehr" - anti-aircraft machine gun

That is a contradiction, as a cannon cannot be a gun at the same time.
Besides an AAMG would -in german- be written otherwise, like: FlaMG or so.
IMO...

[Nickdorf]

Another sentence with the word 'Flamasch' could maybe help or ?

Found this one :

"Der rote Faden des für das Duo «schön&gut» so typischen Dialogs bildeten Variationen des Unwortes Flamabi, das als Abkürzung für «flankierende Massnahmen in Birmensdorf» steht und die Aufwertung der Ortsdurchfahrt zum Inhalt hat sowie die Bewerbung von Katharina Gut für das Projekt Flamawest. Ein Beispiel: «Die flankierenden Massnahmen Schweiz, kurz FLAMASCH sind in unserer Landesgeschichte ja gut verwurzelt, angefangen beim Rütlischwur."

Hope it helps.

Nick

[bill norman]

Christian, The following are examples of typewritten entries in the KGr.506 KTB: 1. Von beiden Seiten starke gutliegende Flak und Flamasch und Mg's. 2. Schwere Flak und Flamasch von Schiffen. 3. 2cm Flamasch und MG's von Bord. To me,the last example suggests a type of ammunition. What do you think?

[ChrisMAg2]

Bill to me this assumes a shortend abbreviation for Fla-maschinen-(waffe), which are AA-machine guns and cannons in general.
Or the observer could not identify it exactely and just mentioned a weapon with a higher rpm rate, but lower then a MG, unaware he could have used an expression like "mittlere" (3 - 5cm) or "leichte Flak" (≤2cm).
Also the Germans did distinguish calibers upto 2cm as MG (MG 15, 17, 131 MG 151/15 and MG 151/20, MG FF) and above that as MK (MK 101, 103, 108). The famous allied Oerlikon 2cm AAA would have the german MG FF as counterpart, from which the latter was developed. But the 2cm FlaK 29, 30, 38 are regarded a "Kanone". Confusing, isn't it?

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by ChrisMAg2

That is a contradiction, as a cannon cannot be a gun at the same time.
Besides an AAMG would -in german- be written otherwise, like: FlaMG or so.
IMO...

Logically and grammatically I would agree but I have seen numerous examples in warime sources and veterans' testimonies that use the word Flak as a generic term for anti-aircraft guns of all kinds.

[bill norman]

ChrisMAg2, there seems to be logic in what you say - and, perhaps, your example [Fla-maschinen-(waffe) ] provides a further clue?
Nickdorf, thanks for your additional example but I think that ChrisMAg2 has probably got the answer.

[Nickdorf]

Yep I'm sure ChrisMAg2 is close to the answer. I'd say either a single 20 mm or some kind of twin mounted 20mm it could even be another word for a "vierlinger" 20mm who knows...