Late war Bf 109 pictures source

[Oberst]

WNF-built Bf 109G-10 W.Nr.610 487 was flown by Heinz Ewald of II./JG52. Theres suspose to be a foto of it in one of the Kagero books that show a white outlined Hakenkreuz. Long shot but can anybody confirm? I do not know which Kagero book. Thanks.

[ouidjat]

Just nice site Marc!

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Thanks Franck,

I try to keep the ball rolling. Just for testing your eyes, try to figure out an unknown Bf 109 K-4 in the latest pic I uploaded ;-))

Cheers
Marc

[ouidjat]

Hi Marc,

In the scraps? With a 10 000 magnified lense?... No thanks! .
But five last pictures!!!! Hummm! Tasty! Crunchy ...

No news for the moment concerning Lion's harbor, will check the planes whatever; should be possible for a fast trip.
Some Bf 109 find down there? I don't think so; but bring some pictures and cheese with you; the hard one ... I miss it ... Who knows? .

Cheers, Franck.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Hi Franck,

Yep, there are good and not often published... Will think of all the needed items if it works out;-))

Cheers
Marc

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Franck,

As an afterthought, the most satisfying one is certainly Bf 109 G-6/AS W.Nr. 163 987 "Weisse 10" from II./JG 3 in Nogent-le-Roi. This pic keeps on popping up in Ebay, always shown partially and distorted. Fernandez-Sommerau publishes it, and part of the "Weisse 10" can just be glimpsed, it allows positive identification of this machine thanks to the lists of Luftwaffe fighters found on the liberated airfields by Allied troops, published by J.-B. Frappé in 1996.

The most aesthetic one is certainly Bf 109 G-8 "Schwarze 11" of NAGr. 9, somewhere near... Santhià;-))

Cheers
Marc
Cheers

[veltro]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

The most aesthetic one is certainly Bf 109 G-8 "Schwarze 11" of NAGr. 9, somewhere near... Santhià;-))

Sorry to intervene this late, but I read the latest additions to the thread only now.

Where it is stated or ascertained that the photo indicated was taken in Italy...? As far as the thread we had on it is concerned, it could have been taken anywhere in Southern Europe. And there is simply no proof at all that it belonged to NAGr.11.

These are the facts so far, any further proof of anthing else would be truly welcome.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Originally Posted by veltro

Sorry to intervene this late, but I read the latest additions to the thread only now.

Where it is stated or ascertained that the photo indicated was taken in Italy...? As far as the thread we had on it is concerned, it could have been taken anywhere in Southern Europe. And there is simply no proof at all that it belonged to NAGr.11.

These are the facts so far, any further proof of anthing else would be truly welcome.

Ferdinando, it is never too late. I changed the caption accordingly by inserting question marks behind all given indications. If you do feel, it would be wiser to cancel the given tentative legend, I will do so.

Sincerely
Marc

[veltro]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

Ferdinando, it is never too late. I changed the caption accordingly by inserting question marks behind all given indications. If you do feel, it would be wiser to cancel the given tentative legend, I will do so.

IMHO, it would be wiser... much wiser considering not only the virtual absence of any proof or recognization of its identity but also the aspect of reference that your excellent work has assumed in a short time.

And from this, to find elsewhere quoted as a fact your "tentative identity proposal" (as written in too much smaller characters below the data accompanying the photograph - BTW the only question mark I see is after the Werke Nummer, not enough, it seems - a fact that will be overlooked by those looking only for certainties in the caption), the step is very short.

Your work of collecting and making visible late Bf 109 images from various sources is more than commendable (I'd rather say invaluable), but trying to make ends meet at all costs is a way to ruin this, believe me.

Thanks as always for your attention

[ouidjat]

Originally Posted by veltro

IMHO, it would be wiser... much wiser considering not only the virtual absence of any proof or recognization of its identity but also the aspect of reference that your excellent work has assumed in a short time.

And from this, to find elsewhere quoted as a fact your "tentative identity proposal" (as written in too much smaller characters below the data accompanying the photograph - BTW the only question mark I see is after the Werke Nummer, not enough, it seems - a fact that will be overlooked by those looking only for certainties in the caption), the step is very short.

Your work of collecting and making visible late Bf 109 images from various sources is more than commendable (I'd rather say invaluable), but trying to make ends meet at all costs is a way to ruin this, believe me.

Thanks as always for your attention

and Marc answer too.

Dear Ferdinando,

Santhia' is just a joke since I live there...
Anyway, You are perfectly right in this comment and I know Marc is trying his best (And his best is not bad) to take all needed precaution, not only in checking caption but in giving his sources; helping us to check again.
From my point of view, Flickr is limited to permit change in a caption. Just because it is difficult to get a picture posted month ago. Giving a page is not helpful since, number is changing when adding new pictures. .... And now, we have almost 150 pages to check... one by one.

One point has been good and did change - for good - the situation; When Marc did start his "Late war Bf 109 picture source", here in TOCH, more and more TOCH and LEMB members started their comments, in these columns or elsewhere.

Last, with few access, if no access at all, to books I, personnally, am very grateful for what Marc has done and is going to do. And of course to all TOCH and LEMB members who are keeping this lively.

Cheers, Franck.