The Eagles Over Europe Project

[Larry Hickey]

Hello,

I'm seeking further information, and especially photos of this crashed Bf110 on 12.05.40:

According to our EoE LW Loss DB:

12 May 1940: 13.(Z)/LG1 Messerschmitt Bf110C. Lost control in vertical dive avoiding attacks from, S/Lt Boitelet and Sgt Tallent of GC I/5, also Sgt Guillaume of GC III/7, over Vouziers and hit trees at ‘Nugimont’, south of Blagny, France, at 7.15 a.m. FF Lt Hans Gaffal thrown from aircraft and captured with fractured skull, admitted to hospital in Ste-Menehould, BF Uffz Aloysius Dierkes also captured wounded – both later released. Aircraft L1+AH 100% write-off.

A French researcher has provided this information: "I found (file 1D26 at SHD) that the aircraft was slightly damaged and also (file 2D58 at SHD) the note that the Bf 110 was nearly intact."

Surely photos exist somewhere of this crash. Who can help?

[Larry Hickey]

Hello,

Recently got this photo on eBay. Obviously it has the individual letter "A" and appears to be a crashed Hs126. No caption info came with it other than it's probably in France, which may be unreliable. Does anyone have other photos or info that would help ID this one?

http://ihra.smugmug.com/photos/i-Ds9...-Ds9BH4T-L.jpg

[Larry Hickey]

Hello,

The EoE WG (Working Group) is seeking photos, further loss details and pilot name of this a/c. Specific location at Boulogne would also be helpful.

According to the revised EoE LW Loss List:

"4 September 1940 5./ZG76 Messerschmitt Bf110C-4 (3229). Forced-landed at Boulogne damaged by fighters in combat west of Tonbridge 1.45 p.m. Pilot unhurt, BF Uffz Paul Neumann believed wounded. Aircraft M8+KN 40% damaged but repairable."

[Larry Hickey]

Hello,

I'm seeking a date, full code and possible pilot/crew for this a/c, which did a nose-stand at Stavanger-Sola perhaps around mid-April, 1940.

The photos suggest that this may be 4D+AL of 3./KG30, which might well be the a/c of Hptm Arved Crüger Sta Kap, although he was not necessarily the pilot that day. Crüger may also not have normally flown the "A" aircraft in the Staffel. He was a Knight's Cross winner, and only the second member of KG30 to receive that award.

Detachments from 3 Staffel were operating from Sola during mid-April. Besides these three photos, which confirm the code 4D+A?, does anyone know of any other images of his incident that might confirm the 4th letter of the code, or have information that would allow a date to be put to this incident?

If this is 4D+AL, a previous aircraft with this code FL on an island off the coast of Denmark on 16.03.40, and was burned; the crew was interned. It was piloted by Uffz Siegfried Werner Matner, not Crüger. The Ju88A in these photos may have been the replacement for that a/c.

http://ihra.smugmug.com/photos/i-83J...-83JK7bC-M.jpg

http://ihra.smugmug.com/photos/i-N8Q...-N8Qzf2X-L.jpg

http://ihra.smugmug.com/photos/i-42G...-42Gk3vH-L.jpg

The first photo posted comes from this source:

http://www.fotonettverk-rogaland.no/...Forus-og-Sola/

The other two are eBay auction images. If anyone can provide original prints of any of these, it would be greatly apprecuated,

Any help would be appreciated.

[eknutson]

Hi Larry, i bougth the orginal ( 1 one ), but is forward to Jaermuseet. So it is not longer in my posetion. The code was not visable anyway.
I KG30 so it should be 4D + AH ( from the other two )
Regards
Ernst

[edNorth]

In my opinion, aircraft in question is not "4D+AH" and (Z)/KG 30 had been reserved staffel letter "H" - should be either 4D+AK or 4D+AL - but hard to tell, poor quality here - more likely 4D+AK (light red front half of spinners ?) I think damage be light (under 10%), likely never got into loss reports.

Ed

[Larry Hickey]

Hello,

Can anyone provide the first names of the two crewmen in our EoE LW loss entry below:

"3 September 1939: Stab KG77 Dornier Do17E. Port engine and wing tanks badly damaged in attack by Ppor. Marian Trzebinski of 161 EM over Chojnie, south-west of Lodz, and belly-landed at Neuhof, near Kreuzburg, 11.10 hrs. (Beo) Oberlt [ ] Otolski, (Ff) Oberlt [ ] Kaschna and rest of crew unhurt. Aircraft 3Z+FA damaged but repairable."

[Chris Goss]

Oskar Otolsky & Willy Kaschner???

[lilsis]

Hi,


Beobachter Oskar Otolski < correct spelling
* 02.12.1913 Aissehnen
+22.04.1945 near Pardubitz , RK 30.04.1945

[Larry Hickey]

Chris & lilsis,

Thanx for your inputs. I've passed these on to Peter who is vacationing in France. Anybody else got anything to add?

Regards,