Crashed Spitfire photo identification No.611 Sqd

[VoyTech]

The Spitfire in the photo features early style windscreen with external bullet proof glass panel. This excludes any Mk IXs. It also excludes EE732 and W3838 which, although Mk Vs, were built in batches of aircraft with late style windscreens. The Sky band around the fuselage excludes any aircraft before December 1940 (as was already mentioned here).

[rpeck350]

Is there any unknow graves in that area?Sorry not trying to be morbid but maybe he could not be Identified and buried as such.
It is just a thought.
Rick

[Alex Smart]

Hello,
From the Hut-six site there are 42 from 611 Sqdn who gave all.
BANKS, JR 811104 31/10/1939
BEVAN, JC 1314667 09/11/1943
BRUCE, AEA 740984 28/02/1940
CAREY-HILL, A 85938 27/10/1941
CLAXTON, JL 903471 07/05/1941
CLEAVER, RB 40889 19/06/1944
CLIFFORD, JT 52615 28/07/1944
CROMPTON, RK 90361 02/06/1940
CROOM-JOHNSON, OP 91109 30/05/1940
DALES, WP 955028 05/11/1941
DEXTER, PG 41680 14/07/1941
FRIDAY, AH 119493 30/08/1942
FULFORD, D 63787 02/11/1942
GIELSTRUP, JH 151006 23/08/1943
GOULDING, H 334035 25/07/1940
GRAINGER, WE 1164137 21/07/1941
HELMORE, PE 46704 29/11/1942
HEMINGWAY, L 742467 10/07/1941
JOHNSTON, RA 86369 09/07/1941
KING, LV 120930 16/09/1944
KRAUS, GW 1313571 02/11/1942
LAMB, EJ 88434 16/08/1941
LINDSAY, GR 117503 11/06/1943
LITTLE, TD 90364 02/06/1940
LOCK, ES 81642 03/08/1941
NEILL, VS 127166 04/05/1943
NORTH, J 139423 18/04/1943
PATTISON, KC 742457 13/10/1940
POLLARD, PSC 41462 22/06/1941
REEVES, JF 86670 21/10/1941
ROEPER-BOSCH, JWY 89295 21/10/1941
SADLER, HS 44825 05/02/1941
SHEPHERD, FER 811129 11/09/1940
SLATER, JH 33174 14/03/1943
SMITH, NJ 102563 21/10/1941
STANLEY, DA 83271 25/02/1941
SUTTON, JRG 90758 23/07/1941
THOMAS, DW 748448 18/05/1941
TOWNS, SW 1334105 06/04/1944
WALKER, PA 1261990 16/09/1942
WALTON, AJP 1385958 05/07/1942
WHEELER, VCM 566827 05/07/1942

Note that McHugh, Hill and McClay are not in the Hut -six list for 611 Sqn.

Alex

[Fairlop]

Is there any unknow graves in that area?

Rick, a quite number ! Unfortunately.

Michal

[Franek Grabowski]

I would say the man has W/O badge, visible just where are cockpit door hinges.

[Alex Smart]

Hello Franek,

If this pilot was a W/O then from the list of names in the Hut-six list via CWGC the only W/O is -
W/O. Victor Cecil Mayo Wheeler who was lost on the 5th July 1942.
This could well be the pilot as - all that is in the CWGC page except names of both parents and widow is -

Remembered with honour
LEICESTER (GILROES) CEMETERY
Sect E E Grave 239

So would he fit details already given in the thread ?

Alex

[Spitfire 9]

Hello Alex,

Quote from notes I have here,

V.C.M.Wheeler, Warrant Officer RAF. W.E.Mech 566827.

Passenger killed in crash of Magister near Kenley on the 5th July 1942, age 24. from Leicester. Same burial details as you indicate.
Of course we know that 611 were opperating from Kenley at that time.........

So, definitely not our man.

Mervyn.

[Alex Smart]

Hello Mervyn,

Thanks for the update .
I did wonder about the fact there was a Grave in the UK.
You have cleared that mystery up for me at least.

Still leaves the question of the pilot in the photo open .

Thanks
Alex

[Spitfire 9]

Hello again Alex,

I have a feeling that this one may just beat us. (for the moment anyway!)

I do have a photo of 'a' FY-B Spitfire, in the far background of others which are MKix, there is no chance of the serial id however, as I don't record Spitfire camouflage / colors etc, I have no idea of when various size markings etc were applied / used.

My photo shows a bigger port side fuselage roundel so, I doubt 'my' FY-B would be the correct one anyway.........

Regards all,

Mervyn.

[VoyTech]

Originally Posted by Spitfire 9

I do have a photo of 'a' FY-B Spitfire, in the far background of others which are MKix, there is no chance of the serial id however, as I don't record Spitfire camouflage / colors etc, I have no idea of when various size markings etc were applied / used.
My photo shows a bigger port side fuselage roundel so, I doubt 'my' FY-B would be the correct one anyway.........

It is probably EN133, featured in several publicity photos taken when No. 611 converted to Mk IXs. Although EN133 FY-B was lost over France (S/Ldr J.H. Slater killed, Rodeo 188 on 14 March 1943), it is definitely not the aeroplane in the photo we are discussing here.