Japanase Fw 190 A-5

[Snautzer]

Originally Posted by edwest2

Thank you, Snautzer. According to the bio: "He died at his Park Avenue home in New York City on Jan. 12, 1962, at age 69." I hope some expert can confirm that such a document could be declassified by that year or before.





Ed

I would think there would be a stamp with "declassified on every page "see ig the pages i posted. This would be the document that would have gone through official channels. However i have many german manuals etc that never went though those channels and have no Allied marking what so ever.
So it is very well possible no stamps were printed on those documents just because they never were officially Allied.

Question remains (for me) if these are the documents for the Fw190 that went with the Japan export or the 2 that were left on the dock.

Nice little tid bit of information: The Japanese paid : 404300 Reichsmark for a A5 variant, the Turks paid 510.000 Reichsmark (per unit with spare engine per unit) for a series of 72 A3. Interestingly it seems these were called the Fw190Aa-3 ("a" stands for ausländisch or foreign)

[RolandF]

Indeed, 181086 and 181076 were used by 1./JG 26, lost in March 43, and 12./JG 2, lost in December 43

Regards
RolandF

[Milos Gazdic]

Snautzer,
Difference in price could be attributed to the fact that Japan was allied and Turkey was not. Also - extra engine adds cost too.

I was wondering & I think asking the same question above: is the aircraft in the document really the one that arrived to Japan?

Also was it sold New or 2nd Hand? If it was previously used - it could explain why many profile artists were putting Yellow rudder on their artworks. Further more, then there should be some obvious repainting of the fuselage - which in the three photos I have seen is not clearly visible.

Strange thing is that various sources point to: 3, 4 & 5 purchased airframes...

[ChrisMAg2]

Originally Posted by Milos Gazdic

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Also was it sold New or 2nd Hand? ...

Strange thing is that various sources point to: 3, 4 & 5 purchased airframes...

Most sources -I know of- imply or suggest brand new, fresh from the factory. The ebay find would be supporting this theory.

I think, the truth is that 1 or 2 plane(-s) was/ were officialy acquired and delivered and everything beyond that might have been a plan, wish or idea only. In how far this really was the one (or one of two) Fw190A-5 delivered to Japan still needs to be verified. As said earlier, we cannot be/ are not sure of the authenticity of these documents.

[Tony Jones]

[Tony Jones]

Hi
A letter from Mitsubishi Shoji Kaisha dated 21/1/43 to Focke Wulf quoted the 4 c/n as a block 1087-90 so for me new build aircraft. My post before this one was a failed attempt to show the Mitsubishi doc

To answer Christian ,this Mitsubishi document and the Focke Wulf one added earlier are from original documents held at Duxford and were captured in Japan i.e Fokkes and Koch files therefore authentic.

Tony

[Hans Mcilveen]

An interesting postscript to this story is published here on the Arawasi website. The picture shows the fuselage of a FW 190 found in a hangar at Tachikawa, Japan after the war. It was taken by a member of the US Navy 15th Naval Construction Battalion and published in the cruisebook of the unit.
No visible markings as far as I can determine.

Hans

[schwarze-man]

Hi Hans. Interesting. Yes, the 190 and the wing is also there behind it.

SM

[Milos Gazdic]

Wow! Great image Hans!
it now confirms that for sure 2 Fw 190s made it to Japan. The image is of low res but I cannot see any markings on the wings in the background either.