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[RolandF]

Hi Franck,

the distance from Neubiberg to Salzburg are 130 km, from Ainring to Salzburg are less than 10 km (in fact just across the river Saalach). Short enough to be confused with Salzburg-Maxglan

Regards

Roland

[ouidjat]

Hi Roland,

I think you did put your post when I was writing mine.
Now it's clear, at least you did confirm it was found in Ainring which is as close as you wrote from Salzburg-Maxglan.

Regards, Franck.

[RolandF]

Hi Franck,
No problem. But not a confirmation yet - I´m quoting from memory not having WOTBC5 at hand.
This webpage e.g.
http://www.ainring.info/historica/flugpl.htm
states that Ainring airfield ("Regierungsflughafen Reichenhall-Berchtesgaden") was gathering point for captured planes after the end of the war. So everything is left to be open.

Regards

Roland

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

Correction; this K-4 picture does not stem from Noro's book... Getting old; I can't remember where I did see it. Maybe in your thread over on LEMB, Christian? As I have been locked out without any explanation, could you check this for me? Thanks!

Cheers
Marc

Found it at last: this picture is a rip from the following book:

Lorant, Jean-Yves et Goyat Richard (2005): Bataille dans le ciel d'Allemagne. Une escadre de chasse dans la débacle, septembre 1944 - mai 1945, Editions Larivière, vol. 2, p.289.

Cheers
Marc

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Yo Christian, Franck, Roland and Matthias,

Christian: thanks for confirming the location, glad to know I still have some brain functions undamaged so far ;-))


Roland: your post opened a whole new world for me! I was totally unaware that this was in fact "Gelbe 5" from Ainring! Magic! I do have WOTB 5 here at home, and there it is, thanks to Mark Proulx's publication:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625380126592/
(Mark, I hope this is ok with you that I post this picture; if not, let me know and I will cancel it).

Talking about pieceing back the Past...

Matthias and Franck: thanks to you guys, I do understand now how close Wels, Salzburg and Ainring were... Good to know this, and imagine the US pilots hopping around with former Luftwaffe machines in order to collect them from one spot to the other (All this for the scrapper's axe...). This is by itself a whole new field of study... A good book subject.

Cheers
Marc

[ChristianK]

Don't neglect the possibility that the "Ainring" info in WotBC 4 is just wrong. The airfield this "5+" was found at could very well be Salzburg. Please note the mountain formation typical for other Salzburg pics in the background of the first shot in WotBC 4, page 4.

It is also not ultimately proven that the K-4 in the ebay shot and the two K-4s in WotBC are the very same aircraft. It is most likely, to be honest, but still..

[ouidjat]

Hi Guys,

@Marc. Where is the picture? Link doesn't work! "Forbidden, Private picture".
@Andreas. Fortunately we can find members with a deep sense of humour! But I knew it through your moto: it's a perfect shortcut to explain our fever!
@Christian: In fact that's what I expected to read. I'm not sure about Ainring though considering Ainring situation the landscape is not an argument; you just have to cross the river as pointed by Roland and as I discovered in Google.

If Ainring was a "gathering point" as noticed by Roland we can suppose - just an expectation - there is a possibility for the plane to have been taken in a completely different place and brought there... Except if you say that JG52 planes where discovered everywhere in the area... and why not brought directly to Salzburg scrap then?

Well, just a thought, not necessarily a truth.

Regards, Franck.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Christian,

Point taken! The right side view does not give away any definite clue that this machine and the one in US markings are one and the same.


Franck, here are both pics available (and apologies: it is WOTBC 4):

http://s881.photobucket.com/albums/a...ow5Ainring.jpg
http://s881.photobucket.com/albums/a...w5aAinring.jpg
(Mark, I hope this is ok with you that I post those picture; if not, let me know and I will cancel them)

Cheers
Marc

[ouidjat]

Thanks Marc,

You did send me the first picture months ago...
The second is new for me, and for me it's clear all camo details match perfectly!...

Cheers mon ami, Franck.

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