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[musec04]

Hello Tony,

Thanks for the response. I assume that you already had the serial in your database. Beyond this, given what can be seen on the photo, that is not a great deal of the whole aircraft, would it be possible to differentiate a Kl 35 from a L.25 just on the visual impressions? What should I look for, in future for id purposes? This was the nature of my difficulties and tbh, I also wasn't sure until your reply that it wasn't a Bu 180.

Regards,

Clint

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay are the following aircraft:


Dornier Do 17 GA+ID Unit?



https://www.ebay.de/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEU...cAAOSwGOtgLipJ


Klemm Kl 35 PM+XT


https://www.ebay.de/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEU...sAAOSwsOFgLhtI


Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 GD+GX JFS 7


https://www.ebay.de/itm/2x-FOTO-FLUG...AAAOSwGm1gLjoG


Messerschmitt Bf 109 **+CA JFS 7

https://www.ebay.de/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEU...YAAOSwu2dgLjrb


North American NA.57 KR+IP


https://www.ebay.de/itm/FOTO-amerika...oAAOSwz0JgLki4


North American NA.57 SG+IX FFS A/B 7


https://www.ebay.de/itm/FOTO-amerika...MAAOSwclNgLknq


https://www.ebay.de/itm/FOTO-amerika...AAAOSw4UVgLkhP



https://www.ebay.de/itm/FOTO-amerikanische-BEUTE-FLUGZEUG-North-American-NA-64-01/254871920411?hash=item3b578cdf1b:g:a64AAOSw6phgLkY p

https://www.ebay.de/itm/FOTO-amerika...MAAOSwclNgLknq


Regards,


Clint

[Tony Jones]

Hi Clint


I already had the reg from a FB, you can just make out the distinctive "gull" wing in the photo that only the KL 35 had


Tony

[musec04]

Tony,


Many thanks. I shall try to take the advice on the wing on board for future 'mystery Klemms'.


Regards,


Clint

[Tony Jones]

Hi Clint
If you need the Putnam book "German Aircraft of WW 2" send me a pm


Tony

[musec04]

Hi Tony,


I have it thanks and many more works with either photos or illustrations of the Kl 35 - it didn't help. I think part of the issue was that the tailwheel is well hidden by the long grass in the link I posted and so looks like a skid hence my uncertainty as that was, of course a feature of the L.25 vice a wheel on the Kl 35.


Regards,


Clint

[ouidjat]

Originally Posted by musec04

Hello,



Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 GD+GX JFS 7


https://www.ebay.de/itm/2x-FOTO-FLUG...AAAOSwGm1gLjoG


Messerschmitt Bf 109 **+CA JFS 7

https://www.ebay.de/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEU...YAAOSwu2dgLjrb


Clint

Mister,
If you start to believe without checking what the seller is writing ...
1st. (which is the more obvious) he is selling a magnificent JG27 F-4/Trop saying it is a JFS7 machine taken at Nancy ! (sic)
2nd. The D-1 "Rote 25"+CA is not a JFS7 kite but a JG107 one taken during 1943 as attested by the Black crosses style.
3rd. GD-GX is what you want but not taken at Nancy.
Hope it helps.
Your faithfully,
FB


NB: GD+GX flown by Uffz. Josef "Pepi" Strümpf for a while but not in JFS7 as it seems (And it's not a new picture)

[musec04]

Hi FB,


Thanks for the correct information on **+CA.I'm always grateful for any corrections.Personally I usually need the full Stkz in order to check whether details given by a seller stack up.



Having said that the JG 27 F-4/Trop was rather more obvious, which is why I didn't post it.


Edit



Here another Bf 109, Bf 109 E-4 of either JFS 2 or Jagdgruppe Losigkeit


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Luftwaf...wAAOSwjxRgMDF8


Over to you FB.



Regards,


Clint

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by ouidjat

Mister,
If you start to believe without checking what the seller is writing ...
1st. (which is the more obvious) he is selling a magnificent JG27 F-4/Trop saying it is a JFS7 machine taken at Nancy ! (sic)

FB

Frank

Out curiosity where was the photo taken? Seller has a second photo with buildings in the background. A clue perhaps?
Since the 109s are your specialty, how do you nail this one as a JG 27 aircraft?
To me it is just an F without anything else to go by....

Cheers
Stig

[ouidjat]

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik

Frank

Out curiosity where was the photo taken? Seller has a second photo with buildings in the background. A clue perhaps?
Since the 109s are your specialty, how do you nail this one as a JG 27 aircraft?
To me it is just an F without anything else to go by....

Cheers
Stig

Hi Stig,
- If I remember well only JG27 had a wave for III. Gruppe marking, didn't it?
- Its WNr. is 8542 and III./JG27 did receive 8540 to 8546 (without talking about 8539 went to 10.(Jabo)/JG27 and 8548 used by Gromotka in II. Gruppe)
Roughly, the photo has been taken - most certainely during delivery flight - between September 1941 and January 1942. Note both 8543 & 8546 have been accidented (destroyed by own forces) as early as December 1941.
And I don't know where the pic has been taken but in Italy I suppose, most probably.
Cheers,
Franck.