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Arado 234 losses KG76
Hi, can anybody help with details of a/c identities and circumstances, surrounding the loss of 3 pilots killed flying the Arado 234 "Blitz" bomber late 1944-45
Uffz Karl Dorn III/ KG76 Fw Ernst Hilsmann " Uffz Berthold Nagel 6/KG76 Any help would be most appreciated. Steve. |
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Re: Arado 234 losses KG76
Steve this is what I have:-
1. Uffz Karl Dorn born 10-1-1921 killed on 23-12-1944 Buckau bei Magdeburg in Arado 234 140319 F1+OR of 7/KG76 while on Uberfuhrungflug. 2. Fw.Ernst Hilsmann born 31-1-1921 killed on 31-12-1944 at Grabow 4Km east of Fl.H. Burg in Arado 234 140352 of 7/KG76 on Uberfuhrungflug Grossenhein to Burg 3. Uffz Berthold Nagel born 24-1-1920 badly injured on 9-1-1945 Flg.H.Burg in Arado234 B-2 140345 F1+RP of 6/KG76 while on Uberfuhrungflug nach Burg bei Magdeburg, Regards Brian Bines |
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Re: Arado 234 losses KG76
Brian many thanks for the info. could i ask if Uberfuhrungflug roughly translates as " Overland flight " ?
Also i have come across another document that states W.Nr 140319 was coded F1+DR. Best regs, Steve. |
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Re: Arado 234 losses KG76
Steve , You may well be right with F1+DR my record is quite poor and hard to read in places, it looks like 'O' but I cannot be certain. Fw Hilsmann's aircraft markings are really hard to make out which is why I made no attempt to indicate them.
As regards Uberfuhrungflug I believe this is a non operational training flight perhape to achieve a pass rating to fly an aircraft type. Perhaps someone with a better understanding of German could help, Regards Brian Bines |
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Re: Arado 234 losses KG76
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Überlandsflug (which does appear in log books sometimes) is a cross-country flight. |
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Re: Arado 234 losses KG76
Many thanks Brian/ Nick for your comments on the translation.
This helps very much. Best regs, Steve. |
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Re: Arado 234 losses KG76
The Namentliche Verlustmeldung of Uffz. Dorn clearly states F1+OR. Hillsmann Namentliche Verlustmeldung is unreadable.
Cheers, John. |
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Re: Arado 234 losses KG76
Thanks John my copy is not so clear,
Regards Brian Bines |
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Re: Arado 234 losses KG76
Well Guys
Clear or not clear, two second hand sources (books) claims two different things. Monogram Ar 234 by Smith/Creek: F1+DR Motorbuch Ar 234 by Griehl: F1+OR Obviously whatever documents are left to for us to interpret there are various interpretations.... Cheers Stig |
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Re: Arado 234 losses KG76
John and Stig, thank you both for your contributions, this still remains it appears, clouded in mystery?
John could i speak to you regarding the Einsatzstatistik of Eins.st KG76 off board? Best regs, Steve. |
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