schwartze menner am flugzeug

[philippe1]

hello,
the men who were working on the German planes before were called "schwarze menner black men coz of their black working dress.
has any from you readers nice close ups from this special one not much attention is given to those people but thanks to them planes kept on flying.
thanks in advance
phil

[Falcon]

You mean "schwarze Männer"... here are some:
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=2893
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=6175
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=5534

For more, just surf on my website.

Greetings...

[philippe1]

thanks a lot Falcon, realy appreciated do you have also guys on stuka working ?
thanks in advance.
phil

[leonventer]

Hi Phil,

Originally Posted by philippe1

not much attention is given to those people but thanks to them planes kept on flying.

Yes, the schwarzen Männer are generally neglected. If you're interested in learning more about their contribution, find a copy of this book:

"Schlachtfeld Luftfahrzeug: Der Einsatz der schwarzen Männer im II. Weltkrieg" by Harald Vogt
Flugzeug Publikations, 1994, ISBN: 3-927132-21-7, 208 pages, German text

The back cover states that the author "would like to pay tribute to the many unknown aircraft maintenance workers and mechanics who fought an almost invisible war against losses, damage, and lack of replacement parts."

The book covers the organization, training, tasks and daily routine of the ground crews. It also contains personal accounts, sample documents, manuals, and many B/W photos. (About 40% of the content is text, the rest is pictorial.)

Excellent book, and the only one that I'm aware of on this subject.

Hope that helps,
Leon Venter

[Larry deZeng]

Leon V. wrote in part:

The book covers the organization, training, tasks and daily routine of the ground crews. It also contains personal accounts, sample documents, manuals, and many B/W photos. (About 40% of the content is text, the rest is pictorial.)
Excellent book, and the only one that I'm aware of on this subject.

Yes, I believe it is the only one, and we should be very thankful to have it. I spent a lot of time searching for others but never found any. Unfortunately, IMO, it's more of a personal memoir than an attempt to set down the organizational and historical record of the several thousand units and tens of thousands of Luftwaffe personnel, both male and female, who kept the aircraft serviced, repaired and flying. The only type of unit the author, Harald Vogt, details to any extent is the FBK because that's the type he served with and knows something about.

Below is an incomplete list of the various Luftwaffe unit types in the aircraft servicing and repair category. Many of these types consisted of more than 100 units in the 1942-44 period, while a few were highly specialized and only numbered a half-dozen or a dozen units. Many of the personnel in these units were schooled in the Flieger-Technische-Schulen and the Flieger-Waffenschulen for two and three years before being sent to some of these units. It's a fascinating subject to some of us.

Ger-61-042 Flughafenbetriebs-Kp.
Ger-61-043 Transportflieger- Flughafenbetriebs-Kp. (Qu.)
Ger-61-044 Flughafenbetriebs-Kp. z.b.V.
Ger-61-045 Flughafenbetriebs-Kp. (S)
Ger-61-046 Reserve- Flughafenbetriebs-Kp.
Ger-61-047 Flughafenbetriebs-Kp. (Qu)
Ger-61-048 Flughafenbetriebs-Kp. (FK)
Ger-61-049 Flughafenbetriebspersonalzug z.b.V.
Ger-61-050 Flugzeugwartungs-Kp.
Ger-61-051 Flugzeugwartungs-Zug
Ger-61-055 Feldwerftverband d.Lw.
Ger-61-056 Feldwerftabteilung d.Lw.
Ger-61-057 Feldwerftabteilung z.b.V.
Ger-61-058 schwere Feldwerftabteilung d.Lw.
Ger-61-059 Werftabteilung (o)/Werftabteilung (v) d.Lw.
Ger-61-060 Werftkommando d.Lw.
Ger-61-061 Werftkompanie d.Lw.
Ger-61-062 Werft-Zug d.Lw.
Ger-61-063 Fliegerwerkstattkompanie and -Zug
Ger-61-065 Flugzeug-Funkwart-Kp. z.b.V.
Ger-61-066 Triebwerksonderwerkstatt
Ger-61-070 Lufttorpedo-Zug
Ger-61-071 Luftminen-Zug
Ger-61-072 Lufttorpedobetriebs-Kp.
Ger-61-075 Flugzeugschleuder-Zug
Ger-61-076 Technische Kp. für Flugzeugbodengerät
Ger-61-077 Technische Kp. z.b.V.
Ger-61-078 Flieger-Technische-Übernahmekommando
Ger-61-079 Navigationstrupp
Ger-61-085 Instandsetzungswerkstatt für Flugzeugbodengerät
Ger-61-086 Waffen-Instandsetzungstrupp
Ger-61-087 Motor-Instandsetzungstrupp
Ger-61-088 Bordgeräte-Instandsetzungstrupp
Ger-61-089 Flieger-Bodengerätetrupp
Ger-61-091 Flieger-Wintersondergeräte-Zug
Ger-61-092 Waffenwerkstatt-Zug
Ger-61-093 Flugplatzbefeuerungstrupp
Ger-61-101 GM 1 – Versorgungs-Zug
Ger-61-102 Sauerstoff- Einheiten

Larry

[philippe1]

thanks Leon, and larry
its indeed something wre not so much info is avaible on.
kind regards
phil

[von Lutz]

If anyone is interested in the Schlachtfeld luftfahrzeug book, I have a few unopened ones for sale.

von Lutz

[Snautzer]

dont forget the "Black Women"