He 60 lost on 2 October 1941

[Laurent Rizzotti]

The He 60E WNr 0314 1R+UH of the Kurierkette beim AOK Norwegen went missing on 2 October 1941 during a routine flight from Kiestenki (now called Kestenga, in Russian Carelia). German sources gave his destination as Utsa, that is possibly Uhtua south of Kiestenki.

Both crew, Gefr. Herbert Schwarz (pilot) and Uffz. Matthias Cremer, went missing with this aircraft.

My various sources agree on the above, but I made today a search on the Volksbund database to check if a more precise death/missing location was given for these two men.

There are a Gefr Herbert Schwarz and an Uffz Mathias Cremer buried in Rovaniemi war cemetery, but their death date are listed as 16 October 1941.

I guess the two men buried there are the same two as in the He 60, so their remains and probably the crashsite was found, after they were posted missing.

I wonder who had the date wrong, the Volksbund or my loss list ?

If anyone had a trace of the finding of this aircraft, I will be interested to confirm the date of loss, and to know the crash location.

Thanks in advance

Laurent

[Brian Bines]

Hi Laurent,

On the GQM returns dated 10-10-1941 the crash date is shown as 2-10-41 and the B as Walter Bucholz. However the report of 16-10-41 corrects the name of the B to Mathias Cremer, perhaps the date of the correction report on the 16th has at some stage been taken as the date of death ?

Regards

Brian Bines

[Laurent Rizzotti]

Thanks Brian,

Is there any change on the loss location on the correction report of the 16 ? Or are the crew changed from missing to dead, possibly indicating that the aircraft was found ?

[Brian Bines]

The first report gives crash location as unknown and the two men as missing, while the second report just corrects the name of the B. There is no change of the mens status from missing to dead, would this suggest a late finding of the wreck possibly post war. The flight as shown in the GQM lists is Kistinki-Utna,

Regards

Brian Bines

[Brian Bines]

Laurent, just remembered the 'Deutche Flieger unter dem Nordlicht ' site it gives Herbert Schwarz as b. 4-2-1920 crash location as area of Kiestenki-Utsa and buried at Rovaniemi Gruft 3 Tafel 7. Date of death is given as 16-10-41 and aircraft details all as you have them. Mathias Cremer is shown as b. 2-6-1920 and buried at Rovaniemi Gruft 3 Tafel 1 all other details same as for Schwarz