II./JG 53 Moved to Neusiedl in June 1941, But whre is Neusiedl ?

[oquaig]

II./JG 53 Moved to Neusiedl on 13 June 1941, But where is Neusiedl ? I can not find a Neusiedl in East Prussia. The only Neusiedl I find is in Austria and there is no logical reason for them to be there. The timing of their move coincides with that of the other groups of JG 53. Any ideas ?

[GrafWolf]

Good morning!

Maybe this will help?

Naujeningken-02.06.1938
Neusiedel 03.06.1938-1945
Malomoschaiskoje 1946-

54°55`50``N--22°12`17``O

Tilsit/Kreis Ragnit Ostpreussen

Herzliche Grüsse aus Oberschwaben,

Wolfgang

[oquaig]

Originally Posted by GrafWolf

Good morning!

Maybe this will help?

Naujeningken-02.06.1938
Neusiedel 03.06.1938-1945
Malomoschaiskoje 1946-

54°55`50``N--22°12`17``O

Tilsit/Kreis Ragnit Ostpreussen

Herzliche Grüsse aus Oberschwaben,

Wolfgang

Vielen dank!

Aber, the map coordinates take me to an open field 5 km south west of Gusev (Gumbennin, HQ of Fliegerkorps I) where there is a grass airfield on the south side of town with what looks like a hangar.

On the other hand Malomoschaiskoje (with a beautiful view of the Baltic Nuclear Power Plant) looks to be the place, but no trace of an airfield. But it accords well with the attached map. It is curious in that it looks as if someone traced it off another map or maybe it is an overlay. The nearby major towns are named but none of the airfields are. I assume it is in error where II./JG53 (next to Ragnit) is marked III./JG53.

[Rasmussen]

Neusiedel wasn't an regular airfield. The Bf109 stood on a field way under trees and the personal lived in tints. The position of the "airfield" could be here (roundabout ... what I can see from the pictures): 54°55'04.3"N 22°10'59.1"E (Today the former Neusiedel doesn't exit.)

[oquaig]

Originally Posted by Rasmussen

Neusiedel wasn't an regular airfield. The Bf109 stood on a field way under trees and the personal lived in tints. The position of the "airfield" could be here (roundabout ... what I can see from the pictures): 54°55'04.3"N 22°10'59.1"E (Today the former Neusiedel doesn't exit.)

Yes. The attached maps show that it was a Feldflugplatz as were all of the airfields in JG 54's deployment area. I suspect that Malomoschaiskoje further north may be closer to the truth.

[Rasmussen]

Malomoschaiskoje was the former Budwethen, Neusiedel (after 1945 Moskwino and 1976 assigned to Malomoschaiskoje) was lying in the southwest of Budwethen ... "further north", hmmmmm ...

[Paul Thompson]

Gentlemen,

I suggest Larry's database may be of some relevance here, specifically:

Hüttenfelde (GER) (a.k.a. Lobellen/Neusiedel, Sovietsk Neyzidel?)
( ? )
General: landing ground (Landeplatz) in the former East Prussia 30
km SE of Tilsit and near Gumbinnen. Not located. History: no
further information or mention of wartime use by the Luftwaffe found.
Surface and Dimensions: grass surface. Infrastructure: none noted.
[Sources: Ries/Dierich; Mattiello; chronologies; BA-MA; NARA;
PRO/NA; web site ww2.dk]

Neusiedel (GER/RUSS) (e. Neusiedel) ( ?? )
General: landing ground Neisiedl/Kreis Tilsit-Ragnit in the former
East Prussia near Insterburg (Chernyahovsk). Said to be 25 km SE of
Titsit. Not located. History: no further information or mention of
wartime use by the Luftwaffe found. Surface and Dimensions: grass
surface. Infrastructure: probably none.
[Sources: chronologies; BA-MA; NARA; PRO/NA; web site ww2.dk]

Regards,

Paul

[oquaig]

Originally Posted by Rasmussen

Malomoschaiskoje was the former Budwethen, Neusiedel (after 1945 Moskwino and 1976 assigned to Malomoschaiskoje) was lying in the southwest of Budwethen ... "further north", hmmmmm ...

Vielen Dank,

Paul Thompson's post helps and Lobellen was easy enough to find to the Northeast. But what do you mean "assigned to Malomoschaiskoje" Did it become part of the town or part of the commune administration ?

[Paul Thompson]

Originally Posted by oquaig

Vielen Dank,

Paul Thompson's post helps and Lobellen was easy enough to find to the Northeast. But what do you mean "assigned to Malomoschaiskoje" Did it become part of the town or part of the commune administration ?

oquaig,

It's not my post, it's an online database put together by Larry de Zeng. See sticky thread on this very forum - http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=38203 .

Regards,

Paul

[Larry deZeng]

Oquaig wrote in part:

But what do you mean "assigned to Malomoschaiskoje" Did it become part of the town or part of the commune administration ?

This is not from my airfields research, but I can tell you that your quoted assumption above is correct. In postwar Europe, many hundreds of small hamlets and villages were incorporated into a larger township or municipality nearby, usually for the purpose of providing services (fire, police, etc.) and collecting local taxes. This process is still going on today. Fortunately, Google Maps has most of these old or former place names in its data base so it is possible to look them up today.

L.