Uffz Sawallisch JG 27

[Alain57]

16/05/1940
Me Bf-109 Flak 100%
2./JG 27
Uffz Sawallisch Otto (KIA)

Does somebody knows the crashsite ?

hi,im reading aircraft of aces and some other book ive seen this name, but try to find name at back index not mention,but as i like france blitz,battle of france and britain,ill let you know when i read again the books,,
gary,

[Bruce Lander]

Hello,

Otto Sawallisch was not killed when his Bf109E-3 crashed in Belgium, he went on to serve with JG.27 in Africa, he was thought to have committed suicide on August 19th 1942 due to possibillity of court martial arising from questions about false claims
The reason for his crash in Belgium on 16 may 1940 is "DCA,atterrissage force" noted in "Les pertes de la Chasse allemande de jour en Belgique 1940 - 1945 Tome 1" by Pierre Watteeuw
Cheers
Bruce Lander

hi, just read aircaft aces book, yes sawallish, killed 41.thats were i saw the name i was lookin through my 50+ aircraft, books to find him, yes ,he was killed in afrika.
gary,

[Rob Romero]

Guys,

Otto Sawallisch (2 Claims with 2/JG27 -one on 1 Jun 1940) does not appear to have been the same pilot as Erwin Sawallisch (36) who flew with JG77 (a 4/JG77 claim on 13 Jun 1940) and later infamously with 4/JG27 in 1941.

Incidentally, Erwin Sawallisch (36) has at least 3 Verified Victories. However, of his 17 claims in Afrika none have been Verified (though at least one is possible) and 11 have been identified as Overclaims -one researcher who has generously shared data with me has characterized at least 10 of his last 14 claims as “Pure invention”. I hope this provokes an in depth discussion of this pilot and the allegations surrounding him and his schwarm. Does anyone remember the other pilots of his infamous schwarm and can someone post a photo of Sawallisch and his schwarm mates?


Rob Romero

[hihotte]

Holá Rob,
as usual the "old faithfuls" have to step in to keep the thread going. I have posted a photo and you'll find the names of the entire "Schwarm of the Liars". What I will find about them I send you by e-mail so you can continue the discussion. I am fed-up with this discussions where posters feel to come up with their personal opinions and disregard the facts.
Cheers
Horst
P.S.
Did you find anything in your "Aces databank" regarding Hans Phillipp as per my e-mail request?

[Nefiakoff]

Uffz./Fw. Otto Sawallisch (2./JG 27, 2 visc.) and Fw./Ofw. Erwin Sawallisch (4./JG 27, 38 vics.) were completely different persons !
In August 1942 members of “Experten-Schwarem” from 4./JG 27 claimed no less then 63 victories, probably all of them were false.
Individually it was:

Ofw. Karl-Heinz Bendert – 23 (19-41) – survived WWII as Oblt., total 54 vics.
Ofw. Erwin Sawallisch – 18 (16-33) – KiFA 19 August 1942
Ofw. Franz Stiegler – 11 (6-17) – survived WWII as Oblt., total 28 vics.
Oblt. Ferdinand Vögl – 10 (21-30) – survived WWII as Hptm., total 33 vics.

Later came also

Uffz. Ferdinand Just – 1, PoW 29 August 1942, total 1.


Fw. Otto Sawallisch died on 18 August 1940 – previously listed as missing, his body was washed up ashore 3 weeks later in Etrétart area.
He was indeed shot down by a-a fire on 16 May 1940 (as Uffz.).
As the matter of location of this event, I’ve only found, that on 15 May I/JG 27 was trensferred to Jeneffe airfield (south Liege) and on 16 May it opereted mostly in Brussel area.

Regards

Nef

hi,tell me more, false claims,by luftwaffe pilots,its the first time ive ever known about these people,,did they make these statements,shorley, if high command knew they would have been demoted,to the floor, cleanin,
thanks for this knowlege,
gary

[Rob Romero]

Great Post Nef! WHAT DO THE NUMBERS IN THE PARENTHESIS MEAN?

Some details can be found in Hans Ring/Chris Shores in ‘Luftkampf zwischen Sand und Sonne’ which I believe to be the German Language edition of the great ‘Fighters over the Desert’ (You can call me the Fighter over the DESSERT -lol)IIRC a Bf 109 pilot was returning from a combat mission and saw a schwarm making strafing runs on empty desert while air combat ‘claims’ were overheard on the radio net. He reported this and the matter apparently to be adjudicated by a military court. Sawallisch mysteriously dissapeared on 19 Aug –it has been speculated that he flew into the ocean to avoid the digrace of a court martial. It was then decided to diperse the survivors to other units and the tribunal was never convened to my knowledge.

Dora: I suspect that a number of severe “claim fabricators” can be found on my “Severe Overclaimers Vs. Reliable Claimers List”: http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=8830.

Rob Romero

hi,many thanks ROB,its the first time ive ever heard of, this tale,(WOW),
something to add to my brain cells more,on fighter aces,and much,app""
ill look at this even more, but some books tend to not mention these things,but its people like you who get the matters workin,i wouldnt have known this story,THANKS,
GARY,CHEERS,,