D-Day Ju 87 massacre

[drgondog]

Originally Posted by Gizmo

Hi,
I'm interesting which Luftwaffe Ju 87 unit (training unit as I suppose) participated in D-Day combats vs USAAF Mustangs. It is possible to find details of Luftwaffe losses?

USAAF Ju 87 claims for 6th June 1944:
Orleans Aera, 505th FS/339. FG: three Ju 87 shot down.
Chartres Aera, around 21:15, HQ and 354th/355. FG against 15-plane Ju 87 formation: three Ju 87 shot down and one damaged + two destroyed on ground (after landing).
Janville Aera, around the same time, 357. FS/355. FG against low flying "V formation of three-plane Vics going westward": six Ju 87 shot down, one probably and five damaged + one destroyed on ground after landing. One P-51 shot down by Flak.

There were no 354/357FS Mustangs lost, I'm still looking for 339th possibility.

My father flew his first mission and shot down his first aircraft (Ju 87) in this fight.

354 Fortier, Norman Lt WR-N 42-103802 44-06-06 1 air Ju87 Chartres
354 Graham, Clarence 2Lt WR-M 42-106437 44-06-06 1 gnd Ju87 Janville
354 Marshall, Bert Jr Cpt WR-Z 42-106448 44-06-06 1 air Ju87 Chartres
354 Morris, Raymond Lt WR-M 42-106437 44-06-06 0.5 air Ju87 Chartres shared w/F.Taylor
354Taylor, Floyd 2Lt WR-L 42-106896 44-06-06 0.5 air Ju87 Chartres-Dire shared w/Morris
357 Bernoske, Robert Lt OS-N 43-24795 44-06-06 1 air Ju87 Janville
357 Cotter, John Lt OS-G 43-7027 44-06-06 1 air Ju87 Janville
357 Fuller, Leonard Lt OS-E 43-6886 44-06-06 1-1-1 air Ju87Janville
357 James, Wayne 2Lt OS-? 43-???? 44-06-06 1-0-2 air 1 gnd Ju87Janville
357 Kelley, Fred Cpt OS-D 43-???? 44-06-06 2 air Ju87Janville
357 Minchew, Les Cpt OS-O 42-106815 44-06-06 0-0-1 air Ju87Janville
357 Wilson, John Cpt OS-W 43-7101 44-06-06 0-0-1 air Ju87NE Janville
355H Dix, Gerald LtC YF-D 43-7164 44-06-06 0-0-1 air 1 gnd Ju87Chartres

[Gizmo]

drgondog,
My source for P-51 lost is "D-Day - The Air battle" by K. Delive. See page 124: [Ju 87s]" "Flying in V formation of three-plane Vics, and going westward toward the beach-head and flying on the deck. The formation was bounced, with claims listed bellow. Lt. Douglas was hit by Flak near Calais coming out and missing in action"
Also "Fighter Units and Pilots of the 8th USAAF" by K. D. Miller listing Lt. Walter A. Douglas (357th FS) as a POW, P-51B 42-106862, hit by Flak over Calais and bailed out off the coast. So probably Douglas was shot down by Flak after combat with Ju 87 formation.

BTW -This error on french website linked above, looks like to be result of attack by unfriendly software.

[drgondog]

Originally Posted by Gizmo

drgondog,
My source for P-51 lost is "D-Day - The Air battle" by K. Delive. See page 124: [Ju 87s]" "Flying in V formation of three-plane Vics, and going westward toward the beach-head and flying on the deck. The formation was bounced, with claims listed bellow. Lt. Douglas was hit by Flak near Calais coming out and missing in action"
Also "Fighter Units and Pilots of the 8th USAAF" by K. D. Miller listing Lt. Walter A. Douglas (357th FS) as a POW, P-51B 42-106862, hit by Flak over Calais and bailed out off the coast. So probably Douglas was shot down by Flak after combat with Ju 87 formation.

BTW -This error on french website linked above, looks like to be result of attack by unfriendly software.

357FS
Phillips,Lt.George KIA Shot down by flak near La Mailleraye ~1325. Killed bailing out - hitting rudder.
OSH 43-6640 MACR 5506 FLAK Whitten Letter 357FS History

Douglass,Lt.Walter POW Lost,let down through cloud cover,hit by flak E Calais at approximately 2130.
OSB 42-106862 MACR 5513 FLAK Whitten Letter 357FS History



I was only taking exception to the comment of a loss (implied but not stated) due to the fight w/Ju 87's

Douglass was on the way home from the fight and letting down through the cloud cover to get his bearings. He was shot down by flak about 20 minutes after the fight was over.

My source is "Our Might Always - Volume I, History of the 355th FG, 355th TFW and FW" by Bill Marshall

It is a greatly expanded and researched history of the 355th that I did 25 years ago - and the primary source of Kent Miller's 355th data..

Regards,

Bill

[Gizmo]

OK, all clear.
Thanks

[barkas]

Hi all,
I´m sorry I only quoted original RL 2 III / 779 Flugzeugunfälle und Verluste bei Schulen und sonstige Verbänden (01.05.44-15.07.44) with original Stuka version.
Gismo, if you need crewmember names, write me privat message.

[thenelm]

As reported-

Ju 87C-3, 1289, Uhlhaas, Ofw. (F)/Gottschalk, Ofw. (Bf), , Einsatz.St., SG 103, , , , , 06-Jun-44, Both WIA due to enemy fire. Crashed., , Lfl.3, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/779, p.105, , Voves, 80%, F, , ,
Ju 87C, 1214, Rüchenschütte, Uffz. (F)/Schröder, Ogefr. (Bf), , Einsatz.St., SG 103, , , , , 06-Jun-44, KIA due to enemy fire. Bf WIA. Crashed., , Lfl.3, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/779, p.105, , Voves, 100%, F, , ,
Ju 87C-4, 1194, Kather, Ofw. (Bf), , Einsatz.St., SG 103, , , , , 06-Jun-44, WIA due to enemy fire. Notlandung., , Lfl.3, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/779, p.105, , Voves, 60%, F, , ,
Ju 87B-6, 2196, Rachau, Ofw. (F)/Micke, Ofw. (Bf), , Einsatz.St., SG 103, , , , , 06-Jun-44, WIA due to enemy fire. Bf KIA. Crashed., , Lfl.3, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/779, p.105, , Voves, 100%, F, , ,
Ju 87V-3, 7868, Skupin, Oblt. (F)/John, Ofw. (Bf), , Einsatz.St., SG 103, , , , , 06-Jun-44, KIA due to enemy fire. Bf WIA. Notlandung., , Lfl.3, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/779, p.105, , Voves, 65%, F, , ,
Ju 87H-6, , Marschering, Ofw. (Bf), , Einsatz.St., SG 103, , , , , 06-Jun-44, WIA due to enemy fire. Notlandung., , Lfl.3, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/779, p.105, , Voves, 40%, F, , ,
Ju 87C-4, 2094, Wirner, Ofw. (F)/Steyer, Uffz. (Bf), , Einsatz.St., SG 103, , , , , 06-Jun-44, Both WIA due to enemy fire. Notlandung., , Lfl.3, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/779, p.105, , Voves, 60%, F, , ,
Ju 87A-3, 2653, Klunth, Ofw. (F)/Rumpler, Ofw. (Bf), , Einsatz.St., SG 103, , , , , 06-Jun-44, Both WIA due to enemy fire. Crashed., , Lfl.3, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/779, p.105, , Voves, 100%, F, , ,
Ju 87, 1247, Genrich, Ofw. (F)/Ochmanik, Ofw. (Bf), , Einsatz.St., SG 103, , , , , 06-Jun-44, Both MIA due to enemy fire., , Lfl.3, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/779, p.105, , Voves, 100%, F, , ,
Ju 87, 5621, Rauh, Gefr. Gerhard, , II., SG 102, , , , , 06-Jun-44, Killed in crash due to pilot error., , Lfl.Reich, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/779, p.90, , bei Deutschbrod, 90%, H, , ,

[brewerjerry]

Hi
Thanks for posting the info.
cheers
Jerry

[gogh]

sorry to quick on the keyboard

regards

Peter van Gogh

[Dénes Bernád]

Originally Posted by thenelm

Ju 87, 5621, Rauh, Gefr. Gerhard, , II., SG 102, , , , , 06-Jun-44, Killed in crash due to pilot error., , Lfl.Reich, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/779, p.90, , bei Deutschbrod, 90%, H, , ,

This last crash didn't happen in Western Europe, but rather in the Protektorat, in Central Europe.

[thenelm]

You are correct - just did a batch post from my db based on date.