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Re: A new picture of Bf 109 G-10 "Yellow 66" at Köthen
This image shows that the inspection hatch on the fuselage is located as with the Bf109G series and we can hence drop the K-4 theory.
![]() Br Goran (image is from an expired eBay auction, cropped and enlarged) |
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Re: A new picture of Bf 109 G-10 "Yellow 66" at Köthen
Ok Mike. I understand
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Re: A new picture of Bf 109 G-10 "Yellow 66" at Köthen
What about that picture found here: http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...auen#post88510
And another forum: http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/fo...=1&#entry45297 The "bagage compartment" is not that square.... What about red legs? What about tires dimensions? What about tail wheel? What about the ground sewage which is visible on the three pictures? What about the canopy we can see on three different places... How many planes have been found in Köthen? How many Bf109? Following O-Nine caption: two. They are on the picture send by Goran. What about the dirt mount around the left wheel? it's on three pictures. Unless the plane's picture shown in front view is not taken in Köthen and until further evidence this last plane is Yellow 66. For me of course! Well, you know me.. ![]() Regards, Franck. |
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Re: A new picture of Bf 109 G-10 "Yellow 66" at Köthen
Cleaned up a bit. Is that a work number on the rudder/ If so, it could be 718xxx.
But, is that a small number above and to the left north-west) of the swastika? ![]()
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Re: A new picture of Bf 109 G-10 "Yellow 66" at Köthen
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Look here to see a couple of K-4 examples and compare them with the example of a G-10 supplied in the previous page... ![]() ![]() Thus, the plane visible in the album of the 3rd Armored Division should not be a G, at least as far as that detail is concerned. But all other deductions of Franck can be certainly shared. So we have a G-10/R2 with a baggage compartment hatch looking like the one of a K-4... on the other hand the location of the plane seems to be the same in both photographs. It certainly is a a fascinating mistery, but in the end that frontal photo seems to be the third one of "white 66"....
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Re: A new picture of Bf 109 G-10 "Yellow 66" at Köthen
Hello Fernandino,
I hope you, and others, understood what I was trying to show with the links I did put in my former post. The picture I was talking about, taken in Plauen, is supposed to show K-4; if it is then the "Bagage compartment" is not that square. In the same book, O'Nine Gallery by Hitchcock, P. 50, there is another picture of what is said to be a K-2 (Well it's an old book!) "Luisl" shot down 24.12.44 over Eupen where the "bagage compartment" is not that square. But perhaps it's not a Bf109K... Still in the same book, P.51, there are three pictures of a 9./JG 77 Weisse 3, a Bf109K-4, whose picture can be found in Poruba & Janda, 1997, too, whose "Bagage compartment" entrance is not that square too... You can see it here http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=867 So! Seems to me that not all the Bf109K-4 got that particularity and, by the contrary, it's not because we've never seen it on Bf109G(-10)s that it didn't exist. Or, once again, the three said examples aren't Bf109K-4 at all (Sorry Mr. Poruba)... And yes Fernandino, as you do, I prefer a "White 66" than a Yellow one. Of course, taking account of all details I pointed in my previous post, one may understand why I continue to think that the "frontal" one is the third picture of "Weisse 66". Cheers All, Franck. |
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Re: A new picture of Bf 109 G-10 "Yellow 66" at Köthen
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![]() I am not able to see anything clear enough to be taken as a proof in there, but would love to. This is to say that, while I do respect and agree with the other points you brought to light to sustain that the Kothen frontal photo do show "white 66", I cannot honestly accepts the proofs you brought (in the end, only one single aircraft at the very, very best) about the presence of "G" baggage openings in K-4s. To me it is simply a matter of clear evidences, not of presumed ones.
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Re: A new picture of Bf 109 G-10 "Yellow 66" at Köthen
Sorry Ferdinando,
I hope you didn't take it for a personnal offence. I apologise. Roughly I agree with your comments concerning white 3, it's not obvious.. I didn't know "Luisl" picture until today.. I don't know the detail (square panel) you are talking about. I have no more comments except to say forgive me again.. I use to be called Little Franck since long, Franky sometimes too... even Calimero!!!! Best regards, Franck. |
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Re: A new picture of Bf 109 G-10 "Yellow 66" at Köthen
Franck,
no personal issue here, only a precisation since to see one's own name used as a diminutive can be annoying. Things settled. Concerning the rest, when you say... Quote:
The photo of "Luisl" was showing the latter detail to advantage, so its identification was quite easy. Hope this helps.
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Re: A new picture of Bf 109 G-10 "Yellow 66" at Köthen
Hi Ferdinando,
Sorry, I'm late to say thank you; I had a good reason: My Hard drive was damaged and I had to put a new one - bigger of course - I'm afraid I did lost my Bf109 Excell files which were on Desktop!... One year work!.. Whatever I got my computer back this afternoon. Yes I know that "Quarter moon" replaced by a rectangular plate but I'm not that expert and sometimes I need more explanations than expected. Thank you very much for your answers. Franck. |
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