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Re: KG200 Greece/Rhodes/Crete 1944-45
Dear Andreas,
I understand, maybe somebody else has more about this very interesting unit and its loses in the last year 1944 of the occupation in Greece. The following victory of the SAAF is also of great interest 01.06.44 Luftkampf 25 sm nördlich Iraklion beim Geleitzug von 4 T-Booten (TA 14, TA 16, TA 17, TA 19),3 U-Jägern (UJ-2101, 2105, 2110) und 2 R-Booten (R34 und R 211) mit den Dampfern „Gertrud“, „Tanais“ und „Sabine“. 4 Me 109, 4 Ju 88 und 4 Ar 196 der 4./126 begleiten das Geleit, Fahrt Piräus-Kreta. Um 18.00 Uhr im Qu. 3722 von 12 Maraudern (24 Sqn.SAAF), 18 Baltimors (15 Sqn.SAAF) und 24 Beaufightern (252, 227, 16 und 603 Sqn) angegriffen. 13 Spitfires (94 Sqn) und 4 Mustangs (213 Sqn) übernahmen den Jagdschutz. KTB Bemerkung: Die Ju 88 Sicherung konnte an Hand ihrer unterlegenen Geschwindigkeit nichts ausrichten und setzte sich beim Angriff ab. Einige eigene Jäger wurden wohl gesichtet, traten aber wenig in Erscheinung. Die Aradosicherung stand zum Teil während des Tiefangriffes mitten zwischen den Beaufightern, musste sich aber an Hand der Unterlegenheit selbst in Sicherheit bringen. UJ-2101, UJ-2105 und „Sabine“ wurden getroffen und sanken. „Gertrud“ und „TA 16“ wurden am nächsten Tag , den 02.06.44, im Hafen von Iraklion wo sie Zuflucht suchten, durch Flibo von 9 Wellingtons der Sq.38,11 SAAF Baltimores und 11 SAAF Maraudern versenkt. An diesen 2 Tagen die SAAF verlor 4 Beaufighter, 1 Baltimore und 1 Wellington, alle Opfer der Schiffsflak . Bei den Gefechten wurden 1 Me 109 und 3 Ar 196 abgeschossen, 1 Ar 196 beschädigt (227 Sqn); Das beschädigte Flugzeug war eine Ar 196 A5 (W.Nr. 1960349); Besatzungen der Ar 196 der 4./126 waren: FF. Ofw. Werner Kurth mit BO. Ltn. Böckling, FF. Ofw. Kurt Chalupka mit BO. Oblt. Schäfer, FF. Ofw. Fritz Rupp mit BO. Oblt. Richter, FF. Uffz. Hässler mit BO. Uffz. Buss b.r. Byron |
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Re: KG200 Greece/Rhodes/Crete 1944-45
Hi, Byron
Very interesting. Is it possible that this unit operated under another name on the date? I haven't yet entered all seaplane unit losses, and thus cannot say if these 4 losses appear under another unit. Since four crews with a total of eight pilots/observers seems to have been involved (did they survive?), it should be possible to get further information on this incident. Regards, Andreas B
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Re: KG200 Greece/Rhodes/Crete 1944-45
BTW - do you have any idea with regards to the unit of the Bf 109?
Regards, Andreas B
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Re: KG200 Greece/Rhodes/Crete 1944-45
Hi Andreas & Byron
My understanding of the 1 June 1944 action is that the four Arado crews you mention each claimed a Beaufighter shot down, not that they were shot down!! However, a Beaufighter did claim an Ar196 so possibly one of the four was forced to ditch! Great stuff! Brian |
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Re: KG200 Greece/Rhodes/Crete 1944-45
Hi, Brian
I read it the following way: During this combat 1 Messerschmitt Bf 109 and 3 Arado 196 was shot down and 1 Arado Ar 196 was damaged. If it was the other way around it would in my opinion read (in German): Bei den Gefechten wurden durch 1 Me 109 und 3 Ar 196 4 Beaufighter abgeschossen Regards, Andreas B
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Re: KG200 Greece/Rhodes/Crete 1944-45
Hi Andreas
I believe Byron has it wrong! Over to you, Byron Cheers Brian |
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Re: KG200 Greece/Rhodes/Crete 1944-45
Both are right , 4 Ar196 hv been lost or at least 2 100 % nd 2 with soft damages but they managed , with some of their friends to shot down 4 Beaufighers
Byron what about the 8 crews safe ?? No NVM exist, so I wonder if... Rémi |
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