He 219 found in Denmark !!!

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Hello Kim,

The thickness and more oval shape of the Spant as shown on your picture, suggests that this Spant was somewhere between Spant 31 and 33, leaving Spant 31a or 32 as the best options. See enclosed picture. The thickness of the recovered spant would be logical there, because it had to endure the forces of the empenage/tail section.

Cleaning of your Spant will show (I think) that it does not have that triangular ID plate (unfortunately!).

All the best, Marcel

[edNorth]

Hello,

I am not in possesion if He 219 DB 603 engine manual, but is this not "engine-armour" (plate) in front of motor? Seems be rather rusty to be of aluminum ... but it seems smaller than item (and them holes) visible in this picture taken from NASM by "mike.kukavica" found at Flickr.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikekuk...n/photostream/ In case it does not show to TOCH readers on Flickr.com , the attached image (below) is this cut from same picture as in the link abowe. The arrow points to item in question.

Best regards
ed

[SES]

Hi,
I tend to agree with ed. The plate looks way too thick to be a Spant. It would also be odd to have 31a/32 but not 30, since the entire tail section is missing.
bregds
SES

[Kim Christiansen]

Hi Ed North & SES

Thank you for your response.

Please look at >>> www.danas-have.dk/He219.htm

Camera 1.
Row 2 Pic 4
Row 3 Pic 1
Row 4 Pic 1

I expect that it is the one you are talking about.


But we are talking about , Row 6 Pic 2 !!!!

I dont think it is from the engine ???

Sincerely,
Kim Christiansen

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Hello Ed, Michaël and Kim,

A very good observation and I tend to agree, even more when I looked at how the Kühlerklappen were opened/closed: a second ring, even better visible when one takes the picture at Kim's site, was turned a little and pushed the Kühlerklappen open.

Close ups from the Lehrbildreihe and He219 Handbook leaves to me no doubts anymore, this is not a Spant. One can see it also when comparing the dimension of the ring with one of the propellor blades > it's to big for being a Spant at the rear end of the He219.

All the best, Marcel

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Hello all,

Please look at CAM 2 row3 #6, this gives a good comparison of the dimensions.

All the best, Marcel

[Kim Christiansen]

Hello All.

@ Marcel

I have looked at He 219 A HB Teil 0.1 und 2, page 40
and I'm still in doubt.

The dimensions are, as you wrote 25 x 37.5 cm,
Therefore, there must be 12.5 cm on each side of the length (top-bottom) starting a wide cross.

If you look at the picture, there is no wide cross starting.

The top of the photo shows the bottom of the aircraft's wing where the aileron is attached.

I really hope that I will find a letter of 43 x 60 cm.

Sincerely,
Kim Christiansen

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Hello Kim,

Due to the oblique perspective it is really difficult to see how the black area (and yellowed white part of the Balkenkreuz, if it is that at all) is positioned at all. Lifting the wing would present a better opportunity to have a more distant look at the whole wingsection there.

Good luck and please relieve us from our tremendously great curiosity (:-)

Beware of the Eastern Eggs ! Marcel

[edNorth]

Facinating info on "Black theory" or that airplane was painted black under?

News of black painted airplane is not news per se. Post #167 (17 May 2012) I mention this: "Looking at paint, I think this airplane was black under, either overall black or partly black only on undersides. Maybe no news to them familiar with He 219, but careful study of this can aid in indentification later on."

I think we are fairly certain this might be He 219 A-7 version, with DB 603 E1. Then it begs the question if letters "LXX 707" on the flap/aileron data tags also refer to Rostock made A-7´s.

Then what of painted numbers "122 123" found on outside of wingtip end-rib. One pet guess of mine in recent months be that "wing unit" (one piece wing) might have been 22nd or 23rd (A-7) wing or 122nd or 123rd (in total He 219 production, or assembled by Rostock).

Then, still no news of, if anybody has looked at "inside of hatches" on the wings underside. If so, I may have missed out on that have no info?

regards
ed

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Hello Ed,

At least lxx is pointing to Land- und See-Leichtbau GmbH, work Kiel, Kolonnenweg (Schleswig-Holstein), see posting #77, one of the many subcontractors who produced parts for the Rostock He219's. Unfortunately, this landing flap was not typical for the A-7, the DB 603 E1 is quite conclusive.

I have no experience with the wing numbers, perhaps somebody else does.

All the best, Marcel