'Namentlichten Verlustmeldung' (NVM)

[Richard Mills]

Originally Posted by Khorat

Bf 110 G-2 110026 crashed due to engine fire, both wounded
khorat

Originally Posted by Matti Salonen

I have 120026. According to my files 110026 was Bf 110G-4. Could someboby confirm, which is the correct number?
Matti

Khorat & Matti, thank you for your help with this.

Is there any indication on the NVM as to why the aircraft suffered an engine fire, the extent of damage or the unit codes of the aircraft?

As always your help is very gratefully received.

Regards Richard.

[Khorat]

Sorry - Matti is right.
the correct serial no. is 120026 !

khorat

[Jim P.]

My information matches Matti's, but I also have WNr. 120026 being lost on 20-Feb-44 (at least as I recorded it), but the Feb loss is also reported with the same code as a 20-Dec-43 minor loss for WNr. 120025. The plot thickens....

Bf 110G-2, 120025, Hermann, Ofw. Raimund, , I., 1., ZG 26, , 3U + 5, , , 20-Dec-43, WIA due to Luftkampf., , Lw.Bfh.Mitte/RLV, Ring, ZG 26 loss list, , Bremen, b, F, , ,
Bf 110G-2, 120026, Axterer, Ltn. Karl, , I., I., ZG 26, , , , , 11-Dec-43, Crew injured in crash due to engine fire., , Lw.Bfh.Mitte/RLV, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #12)-Vol.24, , westlich Därpen, 100%, F, Bf Fw. Siegfried Raddatz, ,
Bf 110G-2, 120026, Kutzer, Ofw. Walter, , I., 2., ZG 26, , 3U + 5, , , 20-Feb-44, KIA due to Luftkampf. Bf WIA, FSA., WNr. 120026 per Ring., RLV, Ring, ZG 26 loss list, , Andernach, 100%, F, Bf Uffz. Paul Altmann, ,

[Richard Mills]

Originally Posted by Khorat

Bf 110 G-2 110026 crashed due to engine fire, both wounded
khorat

Originally Posted by Matti Salonen

I have 120026. According to my files 110026 was Bf 110G-4. Could someboby confirm, which is the correct number?
Matti

Originally Posted by Jim P.

My information matches Matti's, but I also have WNr. 120026 being lost on 20-Feb-44

Bf 110G-2, 120026, Axterer, Ltn. Karl, , I., I., ZG 26, , , , , 11-Dec-43, Crew injured in crash due to engine fire., , Lw.Bfh.Mitte/RLV, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #12)-Vol.24, , westlich Därpen, 100%, F, Bf Fw. Siegfried Raddatz, ,

Gents I genuinly appreciate your help with this however, I am a little confused as to whether the machine was a G2 or indeed a G4?

Also is there any indication anywhere as to why the aircraft suffered an engine fire or the unit codes of the aircraft?

As always your help is very gratefully received.

Regards Richard.

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi.

Without acess to my Bf 110 books today, but checked the loss records I have for the 1200xx series of aircraft, and all are registered with the G-2 subtype when not reported as G only

Also - the aircraft inventory records for the unit for February 1944 show that the unit reports Bf 110 G-2 only on strength

Regards,
Andreas B

[Richard Mills]

Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken

Hi.
Without acess to my Bf 110 books today, but checked the loss records I have for the 1200xx series of aircraft, and all are registered with the G-2 subtype when not reported as G only
Also - the aircraft inventory records for the unit for February 1944 show that the unit reports Bf 110 G-2 only on strength
Regards,
Andreas B

Andreas, thank you also for your help with this matter.

A Bf-110G-2 it is then!

Regards Richard.

[Matti Salonen]

NVM shows 120025 for Feb loss. Interesting thing is, that in NVM somebody has with a pencil changed the type to Me 410.

Matti

[Jim P.]

The WNr. 120025 vs 120026 for the Feb-44 loss does make sense due to the matching code and the fact that the late Dec-43 loss was only reported as damaged, which as we both know can mean anything from ~5% to a total loss - but was why I included it in my post (my transcription error?). For the Me 410 WNr. 120025 I have:
Me 410A-1, 120025, Leist, Uffz. Horst, , I., 3., ZG 26, , , , , 29-May-44, KIA due to Luftkampf. Bf WIA, FSA., , RLV, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm T971-13 in US National Archives); Ring, ZG 26 loss list, , Arnswalde/Woldenburg, 100%, F, Bf Uffz. Hans Schneider, ,

[Jim P.]

While by no means an absolute, generally the Bf 110G-2 were dayfighters, the G-4 nightfighters.