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JG53 and the I-17
I have noticed that a number of pilots claim to have shot down I-17s in the early months of the Russian campaign. Does anyone have a clear idea what these were. I am assuming they were Yak-1 or LaGG-3 maybe even Mig-3?
regards Keith |
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Re: JG53 and the I-17
Hi Keith
I-17, I-200 and I-18 and Mig-1 are all in the same. MiG-3 was I-61, Jak-1 was I-26, Rata was I-16, LaGG-1 was I-22, LaGG-3 was I-301 and I-180 was Jak-7. Regards Johannes |
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Re: JG53 and the I-17
Hi, Johannes.
I must add that MiG-1 (aka I-200) did not participate in any air combat of WW II, so I-200, MiG-1 and I-18 (this type didn't exist at all) in German victory claims are all probably misidentifications for MiG-3. I-17 was an experimental plane which looked a lot like MiG-3, so probably another misidentification here: http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/i17/i17-5.jpg Also, I-22 was a prototype of LaGG-1 (aka I-301) and all three are clearly misidentifications for LaGG-3. I-180 was again only an experimental plane. Regards, Maksim |
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Re: JG53 and the I-17
hi,
that's exactly what I was going to comment... the misidentifications in eastern front..... we must be careful with the models of the planes...to start the war in Russia german pilots had some doubts about aircraft models and could be wrong... kind regards
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Re: JG53 and the I-17
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Re: JG53 and the I-17
I'd define this question more catiously (like I-17 was definitely a MiG, or like I-26 was for sure a Jak). The Axis pilots were not able to differentiate so distinctly between these new, until that time unknown types and later confused them regularly as well. There were scores of 'LaGG' claims against inline engined fighters, so many times against Jaks, or in unofficial materials they mentioned an inline fighter just as a 'Spitzmaus' (literally shrew) because of its sharp nose.
I-17 was definitely a new, inline engine Soviet fighter, which was different from the older, radial engined Polikarpov fighters. But better if you compare the actual inventory of the particular area's Soviet fighter units with these claims, than judge it as 'definitely' a MiG. |