III/JG 3 Victories

[Nick Hector]

Hi Michael,

Can you provide crew details for these two 50 BAP losses? It seems the Pe-2 units suffered heavily this date, losses to fighters that I have found included: one from 527 BAP, crew of Ml.Lt. Konstantin Gavrilovich Baranov and one from 860 BAP, crew of Nikolai Andreevich Shelochenko.

Additionally, 24 BAP lost crew of Ml.Lt. Konstantin Vasilievich Burtsev KIA (cause not specified) plus 4 GBAP lost crew of Ml.Lt. Nikolay Fedorovich Pertsev SW of Olonets (cause also not stated)

...but I didn't find the 50 BAP ones you mentioned, do share...

Nick

[Nokose]

Don't have anything on the crews and doesn't seem to have been any KIA or MIA in the OBD either.

[James A Pratt III]

Sorry for being a little late and you may already know this but on 5 July 1942 I/JG 53 did claim 3 Pe-2s in the Voronezh area. I/JG3 claimed 2 Yak-4s in the Southern part of the Russian front. 6/JG77 also claimed 1 Pe-2. Pe-2s were also claimed by 9/JG 51-1, Stab/IV/JG 51-1 and 1/JG 51-2.

[Nokose]

James, I don't have anything else right now. There was some A-20 losses that I found but haven't been able to match them all up right now.

[Nokose]

This one is a little complicated and I don't think it is really a JG 3 victory but you decide but the person who found the fighter thinks it is the following
20 Apr 1943
4./JG 3 Lt Franz Ruhl La-5 (4) 16:10 PlQu. 34 Ost/75451, 5 km SW of Novorossiysk (Prien's 12/I)
(Tony Woods list has the height as 1200 m.)
La-5 (# 37210375) 437 IAP Ml. Lt. Sergey Yul'yanovich Yasanis (WIA) bails out.
The planes wreckage is found near the village of Vinogradnoye which above Gelendzhinka and south of Kabardinka.

Another claim made has in Tony Woods list 6./JG 3 Uffz Franz Cech Boston 16:02 75461 at 4000 m. but in Prien's JFV 12/I it has Cech La-5 (12) 16:03 34 Ost/75453, S of Novorossiysk (No height)

Both TW and Prien have Fw. Emil Zibler 9/JG 3 LaGG-5 (32) 16:55 no location.

Finally Prien has Stab II/JG 52 Lt. Heinrich Sturm La-5 (30) 16:19 PlQu. 34 Ost/75462, over Kabardinka (TW has 16:17 at 3000 m.)

Yasanis stated the battle happen at 1200 m and the best guess is that it is Ruhl because of the height. I kind of find it hard for me to believe that the damaged La-5 made it that far or glided on it's own across Tsemesskaya Bay.

I believe it was Sturm despite the given height of 3000 m.

[Nick Hector]

Elsewhere that date...

437 IAP also lost Ml.Lt. Ivan Vasilevich Yashelin KIA this date. Was he also a JG 3 or JG 52 victim?

I also believe that Sturm had a hand in some 47 ShAP losses: Pilot Kulish KIA, pilots Gagiev and Andreichuk were both WIA

Nick

[Nokose]

20 Apr 1943 08:50-10:16 (M)
16 Yak-1 from 812 IAP covering forces at Novorossiysk. Engage in dogfight with 6 Bf 109, 2 Fw 189 and 12 Ju 88 at H. 3000-4000 m.

Soviet Victory Claims:
Lt. Ivan Svezhintsev Me-109 & Fw 189
Lt. Dmitriy Tyugayev (Tyugaev) Me-109 & Fw 189
St. Lt. Ivan Batyachko Ju-88
Group: May. Aleksey Eremin, Lt. Aleksandr Tishchenko, Kapt. Nauchik, Serzhat Mikhail Patrakov for one Ju 88.
No losses of Bf 109 in JG 3 and JG 52.

812 IAP Losses
Yak-1 (Fl. co) Lt Nikolay Nazarovich Morozov (MIA)
Yak-1 Serzhant Viktor Vasil'evich Babukin (MIA)
Yak-1 (deputy AE co) St. Lt. Petr Ivanovich Sorokin (MIA)
Yak-1 Starshina Pavel Arsent'evich Zaspin (MIA)
Yak-1 St. S-t. Aleksey Ivanovich Ivanov (MIA)
Yak-1 Ml. Lt. Adamchuk
Yak-1 (# 27114) S-t. Vladimir Emel'yanovich Kovalev (MIA: Found near hamlet of Gapon 2010. 44° 47'32.46 N 37° 57'28.908E (PLQu. 7526?)
Yak-1 St. S-t. Martynenko made emergency landing at Timashevskaya A/F
(Two of these not listed in "Dragons on Bird Wings")

German victories:
5/JG 52 Lt. Helmut Haberda Yak-1 (37) 08:28 34 Ost/86341
" Yak-1 (38) 08:30 75452
5/JG 52 Fw. Viktor Petermann Yak-1 (16) 08:40 85181
3./JG 52 Oblt. Rudolf Miethig Yak-1 (68) 08:22 85181 E. of Novorossiysk
" Yak-1 (69) 08:30 75431
6/JG 3 Lt. Friedrich-Wilhelm Schmidt LaGG-3 (2) 08:27 SW Novorossiysk 75427
9/JG 3 Oblt. Emil Bitsch LaGG-3 (54) 08:35
9/JG 3 Lt Ekkehard Tichy LaGG-3 (1) 08:37

Not covered in "Dragons on Bird Wings" except some victories and losses.

[Nick Hector]

Hi Nokose and others who share in this kind of research:

for anyone wanting to look him up on their database, www.allaces.ru website lists Sorokin as Aleksandr Ivanovich Sorokin as opposed to Petr Ivanovich Sorokin.

...I don't know why there's a discrepancy.

Nick

[Nokose]

Originally Posted by Nokose

20 Apr 1943 08:50-10:16 (M)
16 Yak-1 from 812 IAP covering forces at Novorossiysk. Engage in dogfight with 6 Bf 109, 2 Fw 189 and 12 Ju 88 at H. 3000-4000 m.

Soviet Victory Claims:
Lt. Ivan Svezhintsev Me-109 & Fw 189
Lt. Dmitriy Tyugayev (Tyugaev) Me-109 & Fw 189
St. Lt. Ivan Batyachko Ju-88
Group: May. Aleksey Eremin, Lt. Aleksandr Tishchenko, Kapt. Nauchik, Serzhat Mikhail Patrakov for one Ju 88.
No losses of Bf 109 in JG 3 and JG 52.

812 IAP Losses
Yak-1 (Fl. co) Lt Nikolay Nazarovich Morozov (MIA)
Yak-1 Serzhant Viktor Vasil'evich Babukin (MIA)
Yak-1 (deputy AE co) St. Lt. Petr Ivanovich Sorokin (MIA)
Yak-1 Starshina Pavel Arsent'evich Zaspin (MIA)
Yak-1 St. S-t. Aleksey Ivanovich Ivanov (MIA)
Yak-1 Ml. Lt. Adamchuk
Yak-1 (# 27114) S-t. Vladimir Emel'yanovich Kovalev (MIA: Found near hamlet of Gapon 2010. 44° 47'32.46 N 37° 57'28.908E (PLQu. 7526?)
Yak-1 St. S-t. Martynenko made emergency landing at Timashevskaya A/F
(Two of these not listed in "Dragons on Bird Wings")

German victories:
5/JG 52 Lt. Helmut Haberda Yak-1 (37) 08:28 34 Ost/86341
" Yak-1 (38) 08:30 75452
5/JG 52 Fw. Viktor Petermann Yak-1 (16) 08:40 85181
3./JG 52 Oblt. Rudolf Miethig Yak-1 (68) 08:22 85181 E. of Novorossiysk
" Yak-1 (69) 08:30 75431
6/JG 3 Lt. Friedrich-Wilhelm Schmidt LaGG-3 (2) 08:27 SW Novorossiysk 75427
9/JG 3 Oblt. Emil Bitsch LaGG-3 (54) 08:35
9/JG 3 Lt Ekkehard Tichy LaGG-3 (1) 08:37

Not covered in "Dragons on Bird Wings" except some victories and losses.

Another piece of the puzzle.
Yak-1B (#45119) Ml.Lt. Konstantin Konstantinovich Adamchuk (Parachuted out. He would be severely wounded in a dogfight 29 Apr 1943 and on recovering fly a U-2 in a non-combat role the rest of the war)

[Nokose]

I don't know either Nick but he does make mistakes there. In the OBD it lists him as St. Leytenant Petr Ivanovich Sorokin deputy AE commander "missing without a word" (rough translation) and I find it best to check the names in the OBD for their names. Even there sometimes mistakes appear on different records for dates, even some different spellings of the last name but far more reliable in the long run.