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Old 5th June 2016, 22:25
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)

Hentschel engine plant in Kassel


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Hello all,

What a great conversation this has become; Lots of new data.

Now a question for our experts: can anyone translate the Cyrillic script under aircraft #5, column 11? I am interested in the Motor manufacturer of DB 601 A-1 30109.

Thank you in advance.

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Old 5th June 2016, 18:16
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)

Item 71 is most likely Bf 109 E-7 WNr. 5014.

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Old 6th June 2016, 09:52
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)

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Item 71 is most likely Bf 109 E-7 WNr. 5014.

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Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.10.
There is a strong possibility here though we can admit too "T" could have been replaced.
Last, can be a typo from both parts ...
And no other entries concerning both machines to check "who" is "who" ...

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Old 5th June 2016, 22:18
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)

Hi Steve,

Under #3 it is written Henschel Kassel.
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Old 11th July 2016, 18:32
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)

A group shot of some planes in question along the railroad
(from Alexey Sergeev's page):
http://deruluft.livejournal.com/93200.html

It is pity that items 77-99 of the TsAMO list remains without comparison with German data.

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Old 11th July 2016, 19:06
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)

Amazing. Absolutely amazing.





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Old 11th July 2016, 19:13
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)

Hello, all. Vacation time in Norway - no time for Luftwaffe stuff most days - but here goes:

Page 7 has 13 entries, and I refer to them by the model etc as written by the Soviets. I have not altered the records to show information from the new source yet:

77. Me 109E-4 WNr 7615:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=147777

78. Ju 88A-5 WNr 2336:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=145487

79. Me 110 WNr 4503:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=146845

80. Ju 87 D3 TR WNr 2446:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=146904

81. Me 109 WNr 13289:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=148068

82. Me 109F-4 WNr 7261:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=151195
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=147152

83. Me 109F-4 WNr 7646:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=148808

84. Me 109F-4/Trop WNr 10219:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=149364

85. Me 109F-4/R1 WNr 13355:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=152515
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=147395

86. Me 109 of JG 53 - White 8:
No information

87. Ме 109Е-7 WNr 6426:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=163189
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142645

88. Ме 109Е-7/U-1 WNr 6479:
No information

89. Fi 156 WNr 20732/26:
No information


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Old 12th July 2016, 12:25
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)

Andreas, a small blot in your excellent posts:

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In the item 78 really the following plane:
Go145A WNr1524 DB+GO

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Old 11th July 2016, 19:21
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)

Andrey,

Thank you ever so much for the exciting new photo.

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Old 11th July 2016, 19:31
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)

Page 8 has 10 entries, and I refer to them by the model etc as written by the Soviets. I have not altered the records to show information from the new source yet:

90. Ju 87D3 TROP WNr 2404:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=147556

91. Me 110G5 WNr 82225:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=161720

92. Me 109E7 U-1 WNr 5103:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=156758

93. Me 110F4 WNr 22718:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=147240

94. Me 110E2/N WNr 3938:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=155811

95. Ju 88A-4 WNr 4106:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=146993

96. Ju 88A-4 WNr 6716:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=146084

97. He 111-6 TROP WNr 7604:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=147346

98. Me 109E7 U-2 WNr 2030:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142576

99. Ju 88A-4 WNr 5502:
http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=132030

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