List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

Andreas, thank you a lot!!!

Best regards,
Andrey

[Vince Malfara]

Wow! Thank you so much Andreas for this great work.

Vince...

[Paul Thompson]

Andreas,

Let me add my congratulations to those of the others!

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

Conclusion about "99 planes" episode.

As it turned out, the number was 98, not 99.

Items 43 and 61 are the same Hs123 WNr 2250. Obviously centerwing and tail part were in the different places.

So 98 planes:
A. 25 - with factory Nos, mentioned in German loss/damages lists and had 60%-100% damages in appropriate timeframe and location (consider 60% as the lower border for write-off though reality was more complicated a bit).
B. 50 - the same but with damages less than 60%.
C. 18 - with factory Nos, but isn’t mentioned in German loss/damages lists in appropriate timeframe and location.
D. 4 - without factory Nos but with board codes.
E. 1 - Hs129 without factory No and board code.

50+18 = 68 planes (items B and C) are the total losses due to enemy action unknown before the current discussion.
4+1 = 5 planes (items D and E) maybe unknown total losses too (partly or in whole).

For some of 4 planes (item D) identification is possible probably, as Andreas Brekken wrote:

Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken

49. FW 189:
No identifying information. But as all of the aircraft of 3.(H)/12 (aircraft code identifying the unit) reported as lost between 30.06.1942 and 14.08.1942 had personnel injury involved, someone with access to the NVM of the unit might be able to narrow this down (only 5 losses).

It isn’t sole example of unknown losses in similar circumstances.
Another 55 planes from the same source (TsAMO, fund 500) but in more suitable form on Alexey Sergeev's page.
http://deruluft.livejournal.com/93454.html

Best regards,
Andrey

[Tom Willis]

Hi - Thanks for all your efforts here in bringing these documents to the forefront. So to keep the Post here fresh has any new information been discovered about other such Documents in Russian Archives

Thanks and Regards - Tom Willis

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

Hello all,

new document from TsAMO:

http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/pages/837253/zooms/8
List of 24 Luftwaffe planes in repair or irrepairable on airfield Armawir (North Caucasus) 20.Jan.43 before evacuation.
Most of them were destroyed by Germans 22.Jan43. From this list probably only WNr.144110 and 144094 flew away. Red checked 5 Ju88 (almost serviceable) were destroyed. I think they are absent in GQM loss returns, many others possibly are absent too.

Bf109 WNr14225 listed in GQM returns as 35% 9.Jan43
Bf109 WNr.13866 listed as destroyed by Germans 2.Jan.43 - maybe typo?

Fi156 WNr.5089 listed as 35% 16.Jan.43 and 50% 18.Jan.43

Any additions and comments are welcomed.

Best regards,
Andrey

[Dan History]

Originally Posted by Andrey Kuznetsov

new document from TsAMO:

Thank you for bringing this to everyone's attention, Andrey. Before stating that most of the aircraft listed in this document do not appear in the German loss records, I think it would be helpful to actually list the aircraft in question and let the specialists comment. I have typed up the document for this purpose, see below:

List of German Luftwaffe aircraft under repair and wrecked at Armavir airfield on 20 January 1943

Arbeitsmeldung: über die in Armawir liegenden Flugzeuge

1. Ju 88 360 169 F1 + BD Klar 20.1.43

2. Ju 88 360 199 F1 + H? D Klar 20.1.43

3. Ju 88 144 086 F1 + RM Klar 20.1.43

4. Ju 88 4077 F1 + DS Klar 20.1.43

Voraussichtlich klar am 21.1.1943

5. Ju 88 144 110 F1 + HR Motorwechsel 1.

6. Ju 88 5768 F1 + C? M Vernebelpumpe wechseln

7. Ju 88 144 094 F1 + R? R Linker Motor bleibt nach kurzer lauf stehen

Instandsetzung fräglich

8. Ju 88 140 347 F1? + C? H Kühlwasserverlust im Motor

9. Ju 88 3759 9K + HP Linker Motor springt nicht an. Flzg hatte Bombenschaden

Bruch und Bombenbeschädigte Fluzgeuze

Instandsetzung nicht möglich.

10. Ju 88 430 419 F6? + TM

11. Ju 88 5782 F1? + AN

12. Ju 88 2254 F1 + JN

13. Ju 88 4018 9H + FN?

14. Ju 88 0322 T5 + UK

15. Ju 88 0371 9K + R? M

16. Ju 88 4070 F1 + I? R

17. He 111 7360 6N + H? K

18. Do 17 1086 K7 + QH

19. Bf 109/GL.13866

20. Bf 109/GL.14225

21. Fi 156 5089 C2 + PM

22. Fi 156 5522 DJ + UC

23. Fi 156 5828 K7 + JH

24. Kl 32 865 R1+AH

O.U., den 20.1.43

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

Hello Dan,

meticulous work, with one exception:

17. He111 is 7860, not 7360

Best regards,
Andrey

[Dan History]

Originally Posted by Andrey Kuznetsov

meticulous work, with one exception:

17. He111 is 7860, not 7360

Thank you for the correction, Andrey.

[ArtieBob]

Dear Dan,

I only have searchable data for Ju 88s from this list. The only Gen.Qu.6.Abt listings for Ju 88s at Armavir are Nos. 12, 13, and 16. The code for 13 is probably 9K+FN?. W.Nr. for Ju88s are possibly:
4(144077), 12(142254), 13(144018), 14(430322), 15(140371), 16(144070). 109s 19 and 20 are probably Bf 109
G-1s, not L.

Best Regards,

ArtieBob