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Lt Adolf v.Gordon (Stab III./JG3) and his Bf109 were founded 30.Apr.2016
The site listed below is all in Russian. It seems legitimate so we will not input our normal codicil about posts being in English. Moderator
Lt Adolf v.Gordon (Stab III./JG3) and his Bf109 were founded 30.Apr.2016 http://iskatelklada.tuapse.ru/forum/...109.html#19952 5 pages of the photos and comments at the moment. Counter to German data (Qu.75461, i.e. SE Noworossijsk) the plane has crashed 3 km NW Krymskaja. Maybe the plane not fell immediately after the damage. According to preliminary data, the cause of loss was 7.62-mm MG fire (Russian 7.62-mm bullet was founded inside the plane). If the German version is right (air combat with Il-2s), it was from wing MG (some Il-2s had also 7.62 mm rear MG instead of 12.7 mm). I'll try to analyse the circumstances later. Best regards, Andrey |
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Re: Lt Adolf v.Gordon (Stab III./JG3) and his Bf109 were founded 30.Apr.2016
So Lt. Friedrich-Karl Bühmann *17.5.1923, EKMNr.53931/179, der
4./JG 52, 29.05.1943 Luftkampf um 18.20 Uhr, östl. Kjewskoje(Pl.Qu.76892). FF - exchanges his Dogtag with Lt. v. Gordon ? Or Lt. v. Gordon exchanges the ring with Lt. Bühmann ? |
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Re: Lt Adolf v.Gordon (Stab III./JG3) and his Bf109 were founded 30.Apr.2016
Perhaps if you are able to find entry holes of bullets from front or behind, it would be made either by an rear-facing turret or an attacking aircraft. Just a theory.
Grim, it appears there is still flesh, so DNA x-checking should be possible... ClinA-78 |
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Re: Lt Adolf v.Gordon (Stab III./JG3) and his Bf109 were founded 30.Apr.2016
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Pl.Qu.76892 is far more close to the place in question. So it is Bühmann. But the ring is a puzzle. About Dogtag exchange between the pilots - a strange practice if it was really. Best regards, Andrey |
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Re: Lt Adolf v.Gordon (Stab III./JG3) and his Bf109 were founded 30.Apr.2016
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Re: Lt Adolf v.Gordon (Stab III./JG3) and his Bf109 were founded 30.Apr.2016
Is there any news about this finding, not all, at least, seems very clear
?? Rémi |
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Re: Lt Adolf v.Gordon (Stab III./JG3) and his Bf109 were founded 30.Apr.2016
I've found a photo of Adolf von Gordon (attached), but does any of you happen to have a photo of Friedrich-Karl Bühmann?
Thank you very much in advance. |
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Re: Lt Adolf v.Gordon (Stab III./JG3) and his Bf109 were founded 30.Apr.2016
Hi Rémi,
Remains and pilot's personal property were handed over to Volksbund. Some papers were discovered, last 3 digits of WNr 19489 are visible. So it is Bühmann's plane without doubt. http://iskatelklada.tuapse.ru/media/...6/IMGP8074.JPG http://iskatelklada.tuapse.ru/media/...6/IMGP8073.JPG Best regards, Andrey |
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Re: Lt Adolf v.Gordon (Stab III./JG3) and his Bf109 were founded 30.Apr.2016
Hello Teresa,
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Re: Lt Adolf v.Gordon (Stab III./JG3) and his Bf109 were founded 30.Apr.2016
Dear Andrey,
This is a pity, but thank you very much for the information. |