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Hello Kirill,
thanks for these explanations. Considering problem 2: would you say that Aleksandr Yakovlev had more personal political influence than the MiG guys ? Michael |
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Yes.
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The MiG-3 had the sliding glazed canopy and the upper fuselage had longer glazed panels to improve rear vision for the pilot. It was Stalin who ordered his aircraft designers to give him a fighter with a 1000km range similar to the Spitfire, hence the additional fuel tank under the pilot seat which also gave the plane a better center of gravity. The longitudinal stability problem was aided by this and the movement of the engine 9.5 cm forward. The VISh-22 variable pitch three blade propeller was replaced by the VISH-61 Sh variable pitch three blade propeller and yes, larger tires on the landing gear. Both models had a high landing speed and the under carriage was weekly designed as a result the under carriage collapsed on average every 25 landings. There were 31 MiG-1 in Baltic Military District apparently all were assigned to the 31st IAP and based at Kovno and Karmelava. They were all either destroyed or abandoned on 22 June. Western Military District had 37 MiG-1 all of which were with the 41st IAP. All were either destroyed or (mostly) abandoned on 22 June. In Odessa Military District there were 8 MiG-1 with the 146th IAP. These survived the first days of the war, their ultimate fate is unknown to me. This is where best to look for Soviet aces flying MiG-1 mostly like scoring against the Romanian Air Force. If the MiG-1 was disliked it was because it was difficult to fly. During the period just before the war the MiG-1 was probably neglected and left to the side of the airfield with the belief it would soon be replaced by the MiG-3 as was the case for many of the older models of fighters (I-15, older I-16 etc...) Regards oquaig Last edited by oquaig; 21st July 2017 at 06:41. |
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Good morning oquaig,
thanks for the technical explanations. I know the following 146. IAP aces: Buyanov, Khlud, Lobov, Novoselov, Peskov, Vorozheikin. Mr. Abramov's website indicates that none of them scored in the MiG-1. There's also a guy named Alexandr Koss but I do not know what he flew. Cheers, Michael |
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Hi Knusel,
Just a slight update: It turns out that only 6 MiG-1 were with 146 IAP, the other two were with 55 IAP one of which was lost in a landing accident on 22 June 1941 (failure of landing struts). Just trying to be accurate. Best wishes oquaig |
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Good evening oquaig,
55. IAP was Pokryshkin's unit who according to Khazanov & Medved scored a total of 5+0sh kills in the MiG-3. But this is inaccurate, isn't it ? Cheers, Michael |
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Best wishes oquaig |
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Good evening oquaig,
according to Mr Abramov's website http://soviet-aces-1936-53.ru/abc/p/pokryshk.htm Pokryshkin flew the MiG-3 until summer'42. He scored at least 3,5 [3+1sh] and at most 8 [6+4sh] kills in that type. Can we narrow the gap somehow ? Cheers, Michael |
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Khazanov & Medved book on the MiG-3 is not foot noted so it is hard to track down their claims but they did list their sources: ЦАМО РФ, ф. 35, ф. 208. ф. 221. ф. 246, ф. 319. ф. 20045, ф. 20064. ф. 202256. ф. 20425, ф. 20530, ф 60676, ф НИИ ВВС, ф. 2-го гв. илп, ф 5-го гв, кап, 11-го гв нал, ф. 31-го пап, ф. 34-го пап, ф. 41-го паи, ф. 115-го гв. иди, ф. 122-го иап.ф. 148-го идп, ф. 263 го идп BA/MA RL 2 111/1177, 2 111/1178. »Flugzeugunfaelle und Verluste den (fliegende) Verbaenden» best wishes oquaig Last edited by oquaig; 4th August 2017 at 04:06. |
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Hello oquaig,
as far as I can understand Mr. Abramov's website with my limited Russian skills the Pokryshkin page acknowledges 46+6sh kills of which 43+3sh are given in the list. This leaves 3+3sh kills open to further search, doesn't it ? Cheers, Michael |
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