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31st August 2022, 18:54
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31st August 2022, 20:28
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And I totally agree with the seller, 100% RAF's latest Super Fighter......  The odd thing with it, is that there are plenty of photos showing it captured more or less intact (hit by AA-fire), and also plenty of it showing it completely wrecked by fire. Anyone who can talk me through what happened? Was there a time set device onboard blowing it up or did the Germans set fire to it perhaps by accident? Aircraft itself would have been too valuable in an almost undamaged condition. Cheers Stig
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1st September 2022, 22:33
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Stig,
trying to answer your questions based on the earlier discussions on this case. As said several transport aircraft left (about 7) left for Merville, where they all landed but during unloading were strafed by Bf109s. AW27 Ensign "Elysian" G-ADSZ was destroyed on the ground (many pictures) DC-3 OO-AUI was immobilised, I'll come back to this one below SM73 OO-AGZ was damaged and could not take off SM73 OO-AGS took off with the other Ensigns for the return flight but was hit approaching Calais and crashed at Arques. The OO-AUI stayed virtually undamaged at Merville. How the pilot Hoare was killed is unclear, possibly in the strafing and was this the reason the aircraft stayed on the ground. (By the way, first time I see this name in the context of this story). On the other hand, sgt Chartier is also mentioned to be a pilot on this flight. He was killed trying to reach allied lines. But he is also mentioned as being part of the OO-AGS crew, so there might be confusion. (He might have been the pilot of the OO-AGZ and returned with the SM73 of his fellow Belgian pilot Victor Moreau). The flight to Merville was to evacuate the last RAF crews, and indeed the airfield was quickly overrun by the Germans, as witnessed by the pictures of them around the undamaged aircraft. As discussed earlier, it is highly unlikely the Germans have destroyed the DC-3, they were very eager to capture flyable aircraft. Which leaves two plausible options: 1. sabotage, although I personally think this unlikely at this stage of the war. 2. strafing/bombing by RAF or French aircraft in the following days, after the withdrawal to the Dunkerque perimeter. From then it was clear that every airfield north of the Somme was now in German hands and a big DC3 was not easy to be overlooked. All in all a pretty desperate operation, with 4 large aircraft out of 7 lost. Cheers, Pieter
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2nd September 2022, 12:50
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2350 -10 is Hampden P4324/QR-P of 61 Sqn, which force-landed in the Netherlands on the night of 26/27 Aug 40 (crew POW). A summary is here: https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/53814
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#5
2nd September 2022, 13:13
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Thanks Pieter
Valuable information indeed. So you are confident the aircraft was at Merville all the time, and it was OO-AGS which was hit by Flak and crashed at Arques? Works for me, but do you mind telling us your source(s) for that? It certainly differs from Parry  I am aware of the evacuation flights as such, but sources have a tendency to differ, such as who was onboard which aircraft and so on. I agree that sabotage seems a bit unlikely for its demise. Had the Allies destroyed it by, let's say bombing and/or strafing surely some report would have remained about that? Perhaps one should just leave it there and just classify it as a sort of "fog-of-the-war" type of incident.... Cheers Stig
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2nd September 2022, 22:00
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4th September 2022, 12:32
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Thanks Ed.
#3 is the well-photographed P9317/ZD-A of 222 Sqn, which was shot down on 1 June 1940, force-landing near Le Touquet (pilot POW). It was later flown by the Luftwaffe. #7 is Whirlwind SF-H of 137 Sqn. Over the years there has been considerable debate over the identity of this aircraft, with both P7005 (lost 2 Mar 43) and P7095 (lost 23 Jan 43) quoted.
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4th September 2022, 23:27
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