Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ

[David2703]

Hi,

In Manfred Griehl „Junkers - Flugzeuge seit 1915“ (Motorbuch Verlag) there is a photo on p91 of what is claimed to be a Ju-88T-2 NM+HQ at the edge of the Alps on 2 July 1944. Only the letters H and Q are clearly visible in large black letters. Source is given as Schubert. Camouflage is black undersides and a light cloud-like pattern on top.

Can anyone identify this aircraft and the unit? The geschwader code NM does not seem to belong to any of the regular fighting units.
Also, I am not sure it really is a T-2 given that it has Junkers engines.


I would be happy to post a picture of the page if that is allowed.

Thanks,
David

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by David2703

Hi,

I would be happy to post a picture of the page if that is allowed.

Thanks,
David

Yes it is allowed, you would be posting for a legitimate purpose (learning).

[David2703]

Please find the photo under this link please:

https://ibb.co/rpszLP6

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by David2703

Please find the photo under this link please:

https://ibb.co/rpszLP6

David

The NM is not a Geschwader code but the two first digits in its Stammkennzeichnung. Griehl most likely received the information either directly from this "Schubert" or perhaps from photos/logbooks once belonging to that man.

It is not possible by simply reading this code to know which unit the aircraft belonged to.

We have a number of specialists in both WNr and STKZ so maybe one of them knows more. All I can say is that the NM+H(A) and up seems to have been assigned to Junkers and the model 88 (NM+HA was a model Ju 88S)

Cheers
Stig

[RT]

Usually the planes of the NM+H. serie are documented as S-3 models Wn 330167 to 330192 , nd there are only T-1 nd T-3 , T-2 model is non-existing

S-1/T-1 used Bmw 801 motors S-3/T-3 Jumo 213 motors

Production time hv to be beg. sommer 1944 nd made by Henschel , equiped with Jumo 213 of the 1021/521... block produced by "jfr" not later than june 44
This serie hs been used by LG1/KG66/KG30


But as quite all from NM+HA to NM+HL are documented nd after nil !! possibly remains that part of them hv never been produced or...


Regarding the code in the picture, nd as we only see HQ, I don't know where is coming the NM added by Griehl/Schubert, BG+HQ/S-3 could be an alternate but doubts surround this code, an other countender S-3/PY+HQ..

Possibly as , Peter is not reachable, Ed could cfm which model shows the picture S-3 or T-3 ??


Rémi

[edNorth]

No confirmation - but opinon - it possibly can be Ju 88 T-3 ... or S-3
Now for a unpopular statement: Not everything published be correct.
This and several other authors seem have written beyond confirmed.

[Simon Schatz]

Hi folks,
in 2014 Peter Achs posted following at the German aviation forum "Flugzeugforum.de". https://www.flugzeugforum.de/threads...a.77042/page-2

• Es gab keinen Staffelbuchstaben Q, so dass die Maschine noch ihr Stammkennzeichen trägt
• Das Flugzeug besitzt noch den original Werksanstrich von Henschel/Schönefeld.
• Demnach könnte es sich um eine werksneue Ju 88 T-3 handeln, die noch ihr Stammkennzeichen hat. Es gibt eine Ju 88 T-3 NM+HQ (W-Nr. 330223)
• Von dieser Ju 88 habe ich leider nur einen Überführungsflug vom FlÜG 1 am 02.07.44 von Staaken nach Brunnthal über München/Riem. Weiterer Verbleib ist mir unbekannt
• Zwei weitere T-3 in dem Werknummernbereich (330222 und 330227) flogen bei der 4.(F)/122 als F6+HM und F6+FM.

- There was no staffel letter Q, so that the machine still bears its STKZ

- The aircraft still has the original factory paint from Henschel / Schönefeld.

- Accordingly, it could be a brand new Ju 88 T-3, which still has its STKZ. There is a Ju 88 T-3 NM + HQ (W-Nr. 330223)

- From this Ju 88 I unfortunately only have a transfer flight from FlÜG 1 on 07/02/44 from Staaken to Brunnthal via Munich / Riem. Further whereabouts are unknown to me

- Two more T-3s in the range number (330222 and 330227) flew on the 4th (F) / 122 as F6 + HM and F6 + FM.

[RT]

Seems Peter made some mistakes in the past...
Rémi

[Stig Jarlevik]

Rémi (Ed)

May I ask exactly where Peter made his mistakes back in 2014?
Everyone on the forum are no experts on the Ju 88 production as such.

Cheers
Stig

[David2703]

Thanks for the info everyone. It seems that this probably really is NM+HQ in stkz. on delivery to a fighting unit somewhere.

Does anyone know if stammkenzeichen were usually applied in large (early-war style) letters or did they follow the practice of applying the first two letters very small?

On a sidenote, this aircraft wears a different camo pattern from the one posted by Junkers-Peter on flugzeugforum, albeit it is still a very similar style.

Thanks,
David