Any Crashed Enemy A/C Reports or (Belgian) experts on Le Culot and Charleroi-Gosselies airfields?

[Nick Beale]

After inexpertly adjusting the fin area with Photoshop, I read the Werk Nummer as 3302[?][6 or8]. I wouldn't swear to it though.

[David2703]

Thanks so much for the photos Marcel!

Might it help with identifying the wknr. if one knew what type of engines these had? The third picture gives a decent view.

[ClinA-78]

14-15/07/1944 Ju88G1 wk# 3./NJG4 Hemptinne nord est de phillipeville uffz H. Holze,? 5-6/04/1944 Ju88C6 wk#750249 "3C+AK" 2./NJG4 1,2km sud est de philippeville W. Oldenburg, S. Lauenburg, J. Clasen, A. Stornau, G. Wend, tués 23/24/12/1944 Ju88G1 werk714045 "3C+E(B)M" 4./NJG4 Heer sur Meuse Ofhr K. Hülfert, disparu; G. Richter T. Weinrich, prisonniers 23/24/12/1944 Ju88S3 werk? "L1+KM" 4./LG1 Soy-Hotton A. Johänntges, prisonnier 26/12/1944 Fw190D9 wk#? I/JG26 Carlsbourg nord de Bouillon Fw Otto Hans Schöndorf prisonnier 26/12/1944 Fw190D9 wk210931 "10+bleu" 4./JG26 Nord de Bouillon vers Carlsbourg oblt Hans Hartigs, prisonnier 27/12/1944 Fw190A8 werk175048 "2+blanc" I./JG1 vers Dinant hans joachim Lûpke, disparu 27/12/1944 Ju88G6 wk#620870 "4R+HW" 12./NJG2 Chaumont pres de Florennes HJ.Wagener, tué 30/12/1944 Ju188 p3548 est de Libramont ? 31/12/1944 Ju88 wk#140207 "G9+Gy 4./NJG4 Heer sur Meuse uffz Mikusky Konrad, Alfred Overbeck, Heinz Hermann Gobrecht, tués

Those crashes are rather in the area of Florennes-Juzaine airfield (or at least in the South part of Belgium, I have investigated some of them), Beauvechain is much norther, center of Belgium.
I am afraid no Ju 88S appears neither in the books "Beauvechain Le Culot 1935 -1945 Flugplatz -Airfield by Robert PIED (ISBN 296001720X) nor about Gosselies.
But perhaps if you forward me the pic I can transfer it to a friend well aware of both airfield.


ClinA-78

[Marcel van Heijkop]

Originally Posted by ClinA-78

Those crashes are rather in the area of Florennes-Juzaine airfield (or at least in the South part of Belgium, I have investigated some of them), Beauvechain is much norther, center of Belgium.
I am afraid no Ju 88S appears neither in the books "Beauvechain Le Culot 1935 -1945 Flugplatz -Airfield by Robert PIED (ISBN 296001720X) nor about Gosselies.
But perhaps if you forward me the pic I can transfer it to a friend well aware of both airfield.


ClinA-78

Hi Clin, I would be very interested in both books. Do you have a title and ISBN for the one on Gosselies also, perhaps? PS Could you please send me a PM with your email address?

Regards,

Marcel

[joel husson]

thank you very much, for these documents
Regards,

Joel

[Marc-André Haldimann]

After fiddling with the faintly legible W.Nr. of your fourth photo, Marcel, we might have W.Nr. 330 243. Digits 330 2.3 are relatively clear to read, digit "4" is a possibility.

Cheers
Marc

[RT]

If M-A is right, nd the STKZ for this serie, 240 to 249, is BG+H,then BK+K.
240/241/242/245/246/247 are known nd still named in other units after oct 44, the Ju88S found in Reims was 330257 !, no spur anywhere from the 243...



Rémi

[Marcel van Heijkop]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

After fiddling with the faintly legible W.Nr. of your fourth photo, Marcel, we might have W.Nr. 330 243. Digits 330 2.3 are relatively clear to read, digit "4" is a possibility.

Cheers
Marc

Hi Marc,

Could it be a "7" instead of a "4", i.e. 330273 for the W.Nr. as one source with apparently sharper copies of Crow's photos states? If that's indeed the case, this "little mystery of mine for several years" is finally solved as this I./KG66 aircraft can now be linked to Beauvechain/Le Culot: In the Crashed Enemy Aircraft Report supplied by Nick earlier in this thread we can read that 330273 was (wrongly) attributed by the Allied investigation team for Beauvechain/Le Culot to a Ju 88 A-4. Which is quite reasonable considering that after all the Ju 88 S variants were converted A-4s and that everything that makes it an "S" (engines, smooth glass nose) was either missing or destroyed on this particular aircraft!

Beauvechain/Le Culot would also make perfect sense considering it was one of the airfields used during the retreat by I./KG66 from France (Montidier, then Lille-Vendeville) through Belgium (Brussels-Melsbroek and Beauvechain) and the Nerherlands (Eindhoven) to Germany (Frankfurt Rhein-Main and finally Dedelstorf).

What do you think?

Regards,

Marcel

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Originally Posted by Marcel van Heijkop

Hi Marc,

Could it be a "7" instead of a "4", i.e. 330273 for the W.Nr. as one source with apparently sharper copies of Crow's photos states? If that's indeed the case, this "little mystery of mine for several years" is finally solved as this I./KG66 aircraft can now be linked to Beauvechain/Le Culot: In the Crashed Enemy Aircraft Report supplied by Nick earlier in this thread we can read that 330273 was (wrongly) attributed by the Allied investigation team for Beauvechain/Le Culot to a Ju 88 A-4. Which is quite reasonable considering that after all the Ju 88 S variants were converted A-4s and that everything that makes it an "S" (engines, smooth glass nose) was either missing or destroyed on this particular aircraft!

Beauvechain/Le Culot would also make perfect sense considering it was one of the airfields used during the retreat by I./KG66 from France (Montidier, then Lille-Vendeville) through Belgium (Brussels-Melsbroek and Beauvechain) and the Nerherlands (Eindhoven) to Germany (Frankfurt Rhein-Main and finally Dedelstorf).

What do you think?

Regards,

Marcel

Marcel,

Your argumentation in favour of W.Nr. 330273 is flawless. Relying fully on my eyeball Mk 1 apparatus, I alas can't confirm the fifth number as being a "7".

Cheers
Marc

[Marcel van Heijkop]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

Marcel,

Your argumentation in favour of W.Nr. 330273 is flawless. Relying fully on my eyeball Mk 1 apparatus, I alas can't confirm the fifth number as being a "7".

Cheers
Marc

Hi Marc,

Completely agree! I would also love to see that sharper photo myself and check whether it's indeed a "7". At the moment my source is looking for it somewhere in his belongings, so fingers crossed…

Regards,

Marcel