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Bf109G-6 WNr 15978 7./JG52 5.Sep.1943
Hello!
Bf109G-6 WNr.15978 from 7./JG52 5.Sep.1943 was lost in LQu.75684, i.e. in the Black Sea, SE of Gelendzhik, far from the shore and further out the German-held territory. Nethertheless he returned, as no info about the pilot loss. Seenot didn't report any rescuee that day, Kriegsmarine - the same. How did the pilot survived? It seems something wrong, maybe location or something else. Is the pilot's name known? Best regards, Andrey |
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Re: Bf109G-6 WNr 15978 7./JG52 5.Sep.1943
Hello Andrey,
according to JFV 12/II the pilot of the Bf 109 G-6 15978 crash-landed west of Gorlowka (PlQu 34 Ost/7968.), he was unhurt. Therefore no name in the GQM loss return. The PlQu. 75684 is a typo. On 5 Sep 1943 the base of the III./JG 52 was Stalino. The four claims on this day were located at the PlQu. 79393, 79484, 79684 and 79883, areas north of Stalino. Regards Leo |
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Re: Bf109G-6 WNr 15978 7./JG52 5.Sep.1943
Leo
Sorry if this ends up in the "stupid questions department", but I have never really got the hang on PlQ and how to locate them. If the crash was in 34 Ost/7968 but all claims PlQ have five digits, shouldn't the crash place also have five digits (or is it possibly so your dot means one digit is missing)? I notice one claim is in 79684 which with a corrected digit 5 to a 9 would make at least some sense to me.... Cheers Stig |
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Re: Bf109G-6 WNr 15978 7./JG52 5.Sep.1943
Hello Stig,
in JFV 12/II is the map "Luftwaffen- und Jägermeldenetz Ostfront ab Sommer 1943". In the Luftwaffenmeldenetz the area west of Gorlowka is situated in the Großtrapez 79, in the Mitteltrapez 6 and in the Kleintrapez 8. The exact point is unknown to me. Therefore I have omitted the fifth digit and replaced by a dot. Regards Leo |
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Re: Bf109G-6 WNr 15978 7./JG52 5.Sep.1943
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I have JFV 12/II, but I didn't look at it before asking the question. Shame on me! 5.Sep.43 was the day of one of "convoy battles" so I thought the loss in question was during that clash. Best regards, Andrey |
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Re: Bf109G-6 WNr 15978 7./JG52 5.Sep.1943
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So PlQ 34 Ost/79684 is a plausible spot then. Cheers Stig |
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Re: Bf109G-6 WNr 15978 7./JG52 5.Sep.1943
I have checked JFV 12/II finally. Indeed, in the text the location is "w.Gorlowka" but in the loss list (p.499) the info is the same as in the Gen.Qu. return (75684).
But III./JG52 was in the Donbass indeed, so WNr 15978 hardly fell into the Black Sea I wonder where the authors found the info about "w.Gorlowka" location? |
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