Italian aircraft and their top aces

[knusel]

Hello Gianandrea,

this is very helpful info. Thanx.
I'm a passionate collector of top-scoring aces of aircraft types.
I included Bonnanini in my list of borderline cases:
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...ight=bonannini

Best greetings from Switzerland,

Michael

[knusel]

Good afternoon Gentlemen,

Ugo Drago claimed 13 kills in the Bf109.
Does that make him the Italian top-scorer of that type ?

Have a good start into the new week,

Michael

[James A Pratt III]

From Ali D'Italia Serie 1 Mini Fiat CR 25 claims made by this aircraft in 173rd Sqn

6 Feb 42 Blenhiem damaged by Lt Rindone this was most likely an aircraft of 21 Sqn 3 of which were shot down later by II/ JG 53

21 Jun 42 Beaufort claims by Lt Rindone and m.llo (PO?) Dori and or by convoy and destroyer Da Recco AA. Steamer Reichenfels hit in this attack

I hope this is of some use

[knusel]

Yes, that's interesting indeed.
Thank you, James.

[knusel]

Good evening Gentlemen,

Håkan Gustavsson has updated the Teresio Martinoli kill list on his website:
http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/italy_martinoli.htm
Additional info about his shared claims can be found here:
https://www.lesasdelaluftwaffe.fr/au...sio-martinoli/
Currently, I'm working through OSPREY COMBAT AIRCRAFT vol.145 "Macchi C.202/C.205V Units in Combat".
Confusingly, Martinoli's final score is indicated as 22+8sh (p31) as well as 22+14sh (back cover). I'm particularly interested in the shared kills:

1. 4May1942 shared with Querci, according to p18
2. 9May1942 shared with Lucchini, according to the Italian wikipedia
3. 3Jul1942 shared with two other pilots
4. 3Jul1942 shared with two other pilots
5. 3Jul1942 shared with two other pilots
6. 16Sep42 shared with one other pilot
7. 9Oct42 shared with one other pilot
8. 22Oct42 shared with one other pilot
9. 4Jul1943 shared with one other pilot
10. 10Jul1943 shared with two other pilots
11. 10Jul1943 shared with two other pilots

Can anybody tell me the dates of the other 3 shared kills provided the score of 22+14 is correct?
Furthermore, the German wikipedia says a 23rd personal kill was added later, when was it claimed (maybe a P-40 on 19Aug1942) ?
I also opened a separate Martinoli thread:
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...ight=martinoli

Cheers,

Michael

[James A Pratt III]

Some other Italian aircraft and there scores:

RO 43 and 44 no claims I can find in the Ali D'italia book on the plane

Ca 133 from the Ali D'italia book on the plane and my old notes from the book "Dust Clouds in the Middle East" or DCME for short



13 Jun 40 2 Audax claimed destroyed at Wajir on the ground DCME notes have no record
17 Jun 40 Battle 11 SAAF downed notes from DCME

26 Jan 41 Anson 60 SAAF downed AD notes DCME has the plane shot down by fighters. wiki has the Anson downed by a Ca 133 on 23 Jan 41

The Ali D'Italia book on the Ca 133 also has info on the Ca 148s lost ect in Italian East Africa which are not in my notes from DCME

of the 6 Ca 148s there on 10 Jun 40

I-SOMA 16 Oct 40 destroyed Addis Abada enemy raid

I-ZULA 24 Oct 40 lost in landing accident at Sciascamanna

I-TANG 10 Nov 40 destoryed in a raid on Matemina

I-GOGG 11 Feb 41 captured at Kassla used by 117 Sqn RAF until dmaged beyond repair in a storm on 21 Aug 41

I-ETIO managed to fly out on an epic journey home 15 Jun -19 Oct 41 see wiki for more info

I-ADIR? the last one fate not mentioned in Ali D . DCME notes have a unsericable Ca 148 destroyed on the ground on 13 Apr 41 by Hurricanes of 3 SAAF

I hope this is of some use. Comments welcome.

[knusel]

Good morning James,

nice to hear from you. I never heard about a successful Caproni Ca.133 pilot but the top scorer of the Caproni Ca.32 (in WW1) seems to be Egidio Carta with 2 kills.

Have a good Sunday,

Michael

[James A Pratt III]

Glad to be of help:

possibly the only Cant Z 501 victory 29 Sep 40 Fulmar N1877 S/Lt IFL Lane & L/A PRL Douet both ASR 806 Sqn HMS Illustrious by one of 2 Z 501s of 143 Sq RM shot down this day HMAW vol 1

RO-37 110 Sq downed a Hartbee 41 SAAF over IEA notes DCME

S 82 24 Nov 42 a P-38 14 FG was damaged attacking a flight of S 82s notes from FOT someone might want to check with the HMAW vol 2 on this that I don't have.

[knusel]

Hello James,

yes, that's interesting.
I still have not ruled out that any other pilot had a higher Macchi M.C.200 score than Minguzzi.
This is the thread about it:
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...074#post331074
Have a good Monday,
Michael

[knusel]

I wondered if it's possible to determine the top scorers of the Fiat C.R.32 subtypes:

• Fiat C.R.32: Joaquin García-Morato, likely at least 31,5 kills
• Fiat C.R.32bis: Rodolphe the Hemricourt, possibly 14 kills
• Fiat C.R.32ter: Julio Salvador, likely about 11 kills
• Fiat C.R.32quater: Carlos Bayo, 8 kills