18 and 19 May 1940 over France

[George 118]

Hello,

What were the Luftwaffe losses on 18 and 19 May 1940 in France from 253 Squadron?

A Do 17 4.(F)/11 piloted by Fw W. Hamman lost near Seclin in aerial combat near Lille with a Hurricane from 253 Sqn ?

Thanks in advance
George

[Alain57]

Hello ,

I have this aircraft shot down by a fighter from N° 17 sqdn ?

Greets
Alain57

[Chris Goss]

Good starting point would be claims:


18 May: 2 x He 111 dest one unconfirmed 1400hrs
Bf 110 & Do 215 dest, 2 x Do 215 unconfirmed, Bf 110
damaged 1615-1630hrs
19 May: He 111 dest He 111 dam 1200hrs
Bf 109 unconfirmed, Bf 109 damaged 1500hrs


Mindful of what was going on those days, inaccurate records etc things will be hard to tie down when you look at all the other claims for other squadrons on those days

[George 118]

Hi,

Yes I agree. I also have this
On May 18, 1940 ...

4./KG76 Dornier Do17Z. Belly-landed near Wavre damaged in attacks by Hurricanes of No. 253 Squadron near Valenciennes 4.00 p.m. possibly one of those attacked by P/O Jenkins. Uffz G. Schmidt slightly injured in landing, admitted to hospital in Hohenlind. Rest of crew unhurt. Aircraft a write-off.

4./KG76 Dornier Do17Z. Forced-landed near Dinant damaged in attacks by Hurri- canes of No. 253 Squadron near Valenciennes 4.00 p.m. Possibly that attacked by P/O Clifton. Obergefr E. Preiser slightly wounded, admitted to field hospital in Tirlemont. Aircraft a write-off.

[Chris Goss]

Which matches time-wise with the second combat that day. It appears you have access to BofF T&N which is probably as good as you are going to get

[George 118]

I appreciate your help

[Rolfeb]

Based on "The Battle over France then and now" by Peter D. Cornwell,

"4./(F)/11 Dornier Do 17. Believed that shot down by F/L. Toyne. P/O Wilson and F/O Adye of No. 17 Squadron during reconnaissence sortie between Hazebroickand Lille. Hammann killed.

[Alain57]

Hello ,

I have this :
18/05/1940
4.(F) A.Gr. 11
Seclin southeast of Lille France .
Shot down y fighters 17.Sq (17:00)
Do 17
Uffz. Hammann, Walter KIA - Oblt. Dolega-Kozierowski, Oskar KIA - Fw. Wiegand, Konrad KIA
Regards
Alain57

[Pieter H]

The previous link to claims of No. 17 Sqn was based on the interpretation of Peter Cornwell in TBoFTaN.
However, I think Gillet's interpretation is much more accurate and plausible, which leads to the following loss description:

May 18 4.(F)/11 Dornier Do17P-1. Shot down by Sgt Dymond of No. 111 Squadron during reconnaissance sortie over Vitry-en-Artois, and crashed into the ground causing a terrible explosion at Elverdinge, north of Ypres 7.00 p.m. BO Oberlt Oskar von Dolega-Kozierowski, FF Fw Conrad Wiegand, and BF Uffz Walter Hammann killed. Aircraft 100% write-off.