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Old 18th May 2007, 20:14
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Re: Operation Jubilee aircrew list

Hi Steve

Back again with one more I believe it was S/Ldr E H P Wheller from 171Sqn.

I have really enjoyed perusing your list and will probably do some more! I am struck by at least two things.

The way you have arranged the list in order of rank gives a very powerful representation of the structure of the RAF, the shape of the pyramid in the RAF with nine pages of P/Offs and 12 pages of Sgts!

I am struck by the small number of Australians (17?). I wonder if it was simply the case that not so many Aussies had come through the pipeline by August 1942. However in my experience of poring over quite a few ORBs I have found that many ORBs do not clearly record where pilots were from the Commonwealth countries perhaps that may be a contributory factor.

You are going to have to write another book about Dieppe now.

Steve
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Old 18th May 2007, 21:35
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Re: Operation Jubilee aircrew list

Steve,

Thanks for that additional name. As for the Australian aircrew, I'm sure that there were more involved, but as you say most ORB's aren't too detailed when it comes to identifying the nationalalities of the pilots. Hopefully an Australian expert out there could give me some more information?

Well I've been researching the operation for the past six years, so hopefully a book will arrive at the end, but I'll have to get some interest from a publisher first!

Thanks again,

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Old 19th May 2007, 15:57
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Re: Operation Jubilee aircrew list

A few comments.
S/L Jan Eugeniusz Ludwik Zumbach is missing from the list.
Skalski at the time was A/S/L, being promoted to S/L in 1943. I have had access to his personal files, so I could have check it, contrary to the other airmen on the list.
Sobanski of Polish nationality and citizenship was at the time with RCAF, later transferred to USAAF and KIA 6/6/1944.
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Old 19th May 2007, 17:10
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Re: Operation Jubilee aircrew list

Franek,

Thanks for your comments; S/Ldr Zumbach is on the list as C/O of 303 Sqn, but I'll amend his rank as A/S/Ldr. I'll also note Sgt Sobanski's later death. Do you know what unit he was serving with at the time of his death?

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Old 19th May 2007, 17:45
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Re: Operation Jubilee aircrew list

Steve, I do not know if Zumbach was A/S/L or S/L at the time. Skalski definetelly was. Sobanski died as O.C. 334 FS 4 FG.
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Old 19th May 2007, 17:55
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Re: Operation Jubilee aircrew list

Franek,

Thanks for that. I see on the ABMC site that he's buried under the name Winslow Michael Sobanski.

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Old 23rd May 2007, 17:10
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Re: Operation Jubilee aircrew list

Steve,

Sgt E.J. Shaw of No. 485 (NZ) Squadron was Eric James Shaw DFC

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Old 23rd May 2007, 17:26
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Re: Operation Jubilee aircrew list

Dave,

Thanks for that, can you confirm he was a New Zealander?

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Old 4th July 2007, 18:00
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Re: Operation Jubilee aircrew list

Hello Steve,
The list is an Excellent work .
I do not think that F/Lt Brettel was American, although he was flying with the Americans with 133 Sqdn.
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Old 4th July 2007, 18:42
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Re: Operation Jubilee aircrew list

Alex,

Thanks for that, I assumed that the 'Eagle squadrons' were manned totally by Americans in 1942. I guess I should have checked the CWGC site, because I see that his parents are listed being from Fareham, Surrey.

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Steve

As always any further additions/corrections gratefully received.
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