VVS operations 6-8 may & 8-10 june 1943, claims and losses.

[Dénes Bernád]

On May 6, 1943, there was a strong Rumanian fighter presence in the Kramatorskaya and Sslavyansk area (SE of Kharkov), with both victory claims and losses on their part. In that period, Hungarian '109s were active in the Kharkov-Byelgorod area. They should be included in the equation, too.

[Evgeny Velichko]

THx Denes!

I'll post info about 6 may attack a bit later (very long lists)...

Post above, about 198 shap raid to Sescha was on 8 june 1943.

Best wishes!

[Nokose]

Evgeny,
Is there any listing in your source of the Luftwaffe raid on the Kursk railway junction on the 02Jun43 approx. 05:00 (Moscow)? I believe there were claims made by 30GIAP and others against the bombers also ZG1 and JG51.

[Evgeny Velichko]

Continue:

6 may 1943

1 VA raids:

1 - Raid to attack airfields Shatalovo and Borovskoye(~4:30)

To Borovskoye:

10 x Il-2 (leader Major Karyakin, 198 shap)
6 x Il-2 (leader Ml.Ltn. Egorov, 62 shap) with close escort of ?? x Yak-1 (leader St.Lt. Seroglazov, 162 iap)
4 x Il-2 (leader St.Lt. Alferov, 312 shap).

To Shatalovo:

5 x Il-2 (leader Major St.Lt.M.Stupishin, 312 shap) with close escort of 2 x La-5 (leader Kap.Chalbash, 49 iap)

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Road to target:

Over Yelnya group of 312 shap came under attack of 6 x Fw190+Bf109's.

Losses:
Il-2 (Ml.Lt. I.Pastukhov, 312 shap) shot down by Fw190, crashed at 10km NE Yelnya;
Il-2 (Ml.Lt. L.Komarovskiy, 312 shap) shot down by Fw190, crashed at area Shatalovo;

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Over the target:
Result of attack on both airfield is not seen because of aircombat.

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Road from target to home bases:

~6:25 group of 32 shap came under attack of 1 Bf110.
~6:30 group came under attack of large group of Fw190

Losses:
Il-2 (32 shap) heavy damaged by Bf110, crashlanded at his base airfield;
Il-2 (32 shap) heavy damaged by Bf110, crashlanded at his base airfield;
Il-2 (32 shap) heavy damaged by Bf110, crashlanded at his base airfield;

Claims:

Bf110 shot down by Il-2 gunners (Ml.Serj. Zubrarev - WiA, 62 shap), crashed in area of Baltunino;
Fw190 shot down by Il-2 gunners (312 shap), crashed and burned in area of Borovskoye;
Fw190 shot down by La-5 (Kap.Chalbash, 49 iap), crashed in area of Zhary;
Fw190 shot down by Yak-1 (St.Lt. Seroglazov, 162 iap), crashed in area of airfield;

[Nokose]

Evgeny, Tony Woods list has Uffz August Mueller 8/JG51 claiming a Il-2 at 04:25 (44733) and 04:30 (44881). Is this in the area that the 312 ShAP was targeting. The book "Broken Sky" doesn't have any maps. From what I've been able to understand so far the 49 IAP said that they missed the airfield by 1 km to the west and aborted.

[Evgeny Velichko]

Yes, You are right, mission was aborted, and was remade at evening, but with strong interception and losses.

About Bf110, claimed by Il-2 gunners: I can only porpose that it was reconaissanse Bf110, because I./ZG 1 had no lost or damaged Bf110 on that day. Also, there are no claims of I./ZG 1 on that day.

About maps: unfortunatly, there are no names of bases of most of regiments particopated in raids in many times, so I cant say in what plases directly aircombats were. I know only target place , so we just can only imagine what heading had attacking groups and what rout they had.

[Andy Fletcher]

Thanks Evgeny for the May43 data.

Best Regards

Andy Fletcher

[Evgeny Velichko]

Its only VERY short part...

I'll drink a bit coffe and... will type the continue May be some 2-3 hours and You will got all May raids here.

[Nokose]

07 may 43 Airfield raids
Kharkov-Sokol'niki
6 Il-2 820 ShAP
8 Yak-7b 6 IAP
Kharkov-Aleshki
6 Il-2 800 ShAP
8 Yak-7b 183 IAP

Losses to 800 and 820 ShAP: None
(claim made against 820 ShAP by Lt Paul-Heinrich Daehne 2./JG52 but no kill)
Losses 6 IAP: two Yak-7b
(First was by Ofw Rudolf Trenkel (2/JG52) but unclear if Trenkel, Oblt Herbert Planer or Hptm Johannes Wiese got the second)
Losses 183 IAP: 3 Yak-7b forced landed behind Russian lines.
(Oblt Rudolf Miethig (3./JG52) claimed 2 LaGG-5 and a LaGG-3 and Lt Max Geissler (3.) claimed a LaGG-5)
VVS claims 4 Bf-109's ( I/JG52 no losses)
800 ShAP claimed 7 Bf-109 and 3 Bf-110's on the ground
820 ShAP claimed 4 aircraft on the ground

[Nokose]

O6 May 43 Raid on Poltava and Osnova(?) airfields
Bostons of the 454 BAP drop bombs on their targets. On returning to there lines they are attacked by Bf-109's. Ml. Lt. N.A. Shumikhina's Boston is hit and crew bail out. Shumikhina and Sgt V.S. Yevsey are WIA.
Uffz Gerhard Thyben 6/JG3 claims a Boston at 04:45 (70395).