Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Allied and Soviet Air Forces

Allied and Soviet Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the Air Forces of the Western Allies and the Soviet Union.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 3rd June 2009, 18:25
Birgir Thorisson Birgir Thorisson is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Kopavogur, Iceland.
Posts: 52
Birgir Thorisson is on a distinguished road
Re: 103 MU at Aboukir

According to then Group Captain Cross, Aboukir was the largest RAF depot in the Middle East, and handled all types of aircraft. (He spells it Abu Sueir on this page, but seems to be talking of the same place which elsewhere in the book is spelled Aboukir.)
The bulk of the workforce was civilians, Maltese being most numerous, then Greeks, and in fact all sorts of nationalities. The supervising staff was RAF. (This from his autobiography, "Straight and level".)

There are interesting discrepencies between his account of the interceptions, and an account that appeared in 1978 in the magazine "Air Pictorial" about stratospheric raiders, by Christopher Argyle.

The most striking was that according to both, Genders had to bail out into the sea after shooting down the second Ju 86. Cross states that he was rescued almost at once by an egyptian boat. According to Argyle, Genders had to swim for 23 hours to the shore, and then walk back to Aboukir.

I am also pretty certain that the Greenborough crowd published somewhere a detailed article about the spitfire modifications in Aboukir, but haven´t been able to locate it in my stash of old Air Enthusiast/Air International magazines. (I have very little after 1985).

Birgir Thorisson.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 1st July 2009, 13:43
Brian Bines Brian Bines is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,423
Brian Bines is on a distinguished road
Re: 103 MU at Aboukir

For the 6-9-42 there is Ju86R1 5101 of 3(F)/123 in crashlanding with 60% damage at Bir el Abd following Feindbeschuss ( Luft QM's report dated 6-10-42 ).
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11th July 2009, 11:16
Chris Going Chris Going is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 193
Chris Going is on a distinguished road
Aboukir and GAF cover of Egypt

Small gloss, really, on the GAF Recon sortie rates over Egypt in 1942.
2/123 figures give FET64/42 flown on 10 March 1942 (Alexandria); FET105/42 on 16 March 1942 (Aboukir+, this 1/121); FET146/42 on 31 May 42(Alexandria); FET154/42 on 12 June 1942(Alexandria), and FET246/42 on 20 July 1942 (Alexandria), and FET283/42 on 17 October 1942 (Alexandria).

Might be useful for rates.


best,

ChrisG
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 1st December 2009, 15:07
Aussie7 Aussie7 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Posts: 18
Aussie7 is on a distinguished road
Re: 103 MU at Aboukir

Brian,

Nelson's career was covered in the June & July 2009 issues of Flypast (which I appear to have unfortunately thrown out !!) and from memory he didn't make any air claims with any of his various RAF units. As he was OC of the High Altitude Flt maybe his logbook entries refer to unit claims whilst he was 'the Boss'. I have seen DFC/DSO citations listing unit claims which read like personal claims, causing confusion to novice historians down the ages.

Ian Westworth
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Fairey Battle P21.., 103 Squadron RAF. Martin Gleeson Allied and Soviet Air Forces 9 25th January 2009 01:31
Circus 103 & Ramrod 20 Peter S Allied and Soviet Air Forces 0 1st December 2008 01:00
Hurricanes, Friendly Fire, 10.6.40, France, Fairey Battle, 103 Squ Iain Torrance Allied and Soviet Air Forces 0 22nd November 2008 12:32
JG 103 at Chateaureux/France Hans W. Koerfges Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 2 23rd December 2005 09:13
Jagdgeschwader 103 hugo36 Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 2 13th March 2005 21:15


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 10:37.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net