Late war Bf 109 pictures source

[Rasmussen]

But ... is there enough space for a "46"?

[S Sheflin]

Hello Rasmussen,
Yes I believe there is enough room. I should have been precise when I mentioned the font and method of application.
Erla used a font that was compressed, meaning that it was tall and thin.
I have numerous photos of Erla-Leipzig-built Bf109s in which the first or last numerals of the Werknummern are spang up against the leading edge of their fins.
In some cases, this closeness manifests itself in the leading digit partially wrapping around the leading-edge of the fin.
This form of application seems to be the rule rather than the exception on the 46xxxx family of Bf 109 G-14’s.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

[Marc-André Haldimann]

By courtesy of Mato Lion, over on Late war Bf 109's group, FB, two new photos of the often photographed Bf 109 G-14 W.Nr. 783 906 "Gelbe 8", 3./JG 4 have emerged:

https://archiwum.allegro.pl/oferta/s...O443i9GIbGEYL0

On the caption written on the back of this photo, location is said to be Eisfeld near Coburg, Germany. The other photos of W.Nr. 783 906 are said to be taken at Ennsfeld in Hideki Noro "LO+ST", p. 172. Actually this does not seem correct as there were no know Lw actitivites or landing fields there.

Finally, one US Signal Corps photo showing another Mtt built Bf 109 G-14/AS "Gelbe 6", also of 3./JG 4, was offered for sale in May 2014 with a caption saying it was taken at Eisenach-Kindel, near Gotha:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...-cgZNxC-91EvHc

To my knowledge, I./JG 4 was last stationed at Berlin-Schönfeld until disbandment on 19 March 1945. What happened afterwards ? Were was actually photographed both W.Nr. 783 906 "Gelbe 8" and "Gelbe 6" which are seen in the same landscape ?

Thanks in advance.

[ouidjat]

.... And it's not a G-14/AS ?

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Thanks to Spektor, over on modelforum.cz, this very interesting Russian photo found on this page:
http://soviet-aces-1936-53.ru/abc/t/tomarev.htm
https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...in/dateposted/

This photo shows Maksim Nikolajevič Tomarev standing in front of what I believe to be a WNF built Bf 109 G-10 with a JG 4 emblem on the cowling. Thus, "Gelbe 11" sporting the vertical bar of III. Gruppe should be a 11./JG 4 machine. I miss though the Black-white-black colours RVB band.

Location for this photo could be Jüterbog-Damm where III./JG 4 was stationed until 2 April 1945, or nearby Mark Zwuschen (III./JG 4 was there until 12 April 1945). Both airfields were taken 20 April 1945 by Red Army units.

Any thoughts ?
Marc

[sgeorges4]

some interesting picture in this russian review http://scalemodels.ru/articles/10880...9G-6-late.html

[Marc-André Haldimann]

A photo of a plane without known record - at least to me:

Mtt built Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. probably 163 041, painted in tall numbers across the tail swastika, like W.Nr. 163 824 currently preserved at the Australian War Memorial in Canberra. Location is unknown location, Spring 1945. Any information would be highly appreciated.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-Photo-...cAAOSwvFlfL-sV

Cheers
Marc

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Thanks to edwest2 on the german interest thread, those photos of a previously unknown Mtt built Bf 109 G-14/AS W.Nr. 785 772.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...in/dateposted/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...n/photostream/

Location remain an enigma. Among the planes found at this Fl.Pl. were also a Fw 190 F-8 STKz "BR+" which is from the W.Nr. batch 583 080 - 583 105 and a tantalising Fw 190 F-8 "Schwarze 4" with a checkered RVB band from a yet to identify III./KG(J).

Original source:
https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/a...2-ac1d010c2575

[ChristianK]

Hi Marc, this is a great find - Fw 190 BR+?? is BR+OY which was supposedly found at Cham-Michelsdorf. Perhaps the other planes were also photographed at this location?


Cheers,
Christian


EDIT: Okay, on closer inspection, these photos all seem to have been shot on the very same location indeed. There was an interesting collection of planes at Cham anyway, this KG(J) Fw 190 adds even more this. (Other photos show an older Fw 190 night fighter from JGr.10 (White or Yellow "2) and Fw 190 D-9 210034, still in its factory markings "TS+DH" (also visible in one of these new photos found by Ed))

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Originally Posted by ChristianK

Hi Marc, this is a great find - Fw 190 BR+?? is BR+OY which was supposedly found at Cham-Michelsdorf. Perhaps the other planes were also photographed at this location?


Cheers,
Christian


EDIT: Okay, on closer inspection, these photos all seem to have been shot on the very same location indeed. There was an interesting collection of planes at Cham anyway, this KG(J) Fw 190 adds even more this. (Other photos show an older Fw 190 night fighter from JGr.10 (White or Yellow "2) and Fw 190 D-9 210034, still in its factory markings "TS+DH" (also visible in one of these new photos found by Ed))

Christian,

So glad you nailed the location !!! This is a very interesting addition to the rather scarce portfolio we have from the machines left behind at Cham.

Thanks again !
Marc