Late war Bf 109 pictures source

[cproyston]

Well I guess what I meant was whatever the dark green that used to be known as RLM83, and that was used in combination with RLM75, particularly on these prefabricated tail assemblies, is now called.
cheers,
Chris

edit - found it, Don, please substitute my (erroneous) RLM83 above with a ‘Dark Green RLM81 variation’

[Smith]

Thanks Chris & Franck

[Marc-André Haldimann]

And for today's eye's pleasure,

this original scan from the negative made by Lt. C. J. Woods, 4 May 1945, at Bad Zwischenhahn from an Erla built Bf 109 G-10 in its typical late war low visibility two green splinter scheme.It is already published since 1989 by Carl Hildebrandt in his Broken Eagles, p. 4. Any ideas for its W.Nr. ?

Current archive: C. J. Woods. Army Numerical, Northwest Europe. Department of National Defence. Library and Archives Canada, e999917495-u /

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lac-ba...-oreTUf-obM8jT

Cheers
Marc

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Hi there Gang,

We know of "Schwarze 7", seen at Hildesheim thanks to this photo offered on eBay 11 June 2018:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...7687193053794/

Two new photos of "Schwarze 7" are on offer currently. The skin damage pattern ascertains this is indeed the same machine, as found at Fl.Pl. Hildesheim:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...2/274531706474
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...9/274531704978

Though quite frustrating as no W.Nr. can be seen, we have IMHO an Erla built Bf 109 G-14 sporting a camouflage pattern seen on the W.Nr. 463xxx - 464xxx block.

The Technical intelligence Report no A-371 dated 7 May 1945 reports 48 airframes at Fl.Pl. Hildesheim, inspected 29 April 1945. Among them are five Erla built Bf 109 G-14's:
- W.Nr. 463178
- W.Nr. 464062
- W.Nr. 464248
- W.Nr. 464266
- W.Nr. 464337

As no tactical markings were recorded, there is no way knowing which machine is seen on those three photos, alas. As for the unit, 6./, 7./ and 8./JG 105 were all based at Hildesheim until disbanded 15 March 1945. There is thus a reasonable assumption "Schwarze 7" with its II Gruppe bar is a 6./JG 105 plane.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Thanks to new evidences brought to my attention by Mato Lion,

We now know conclusively the above mentioned plane is actually Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 150853 "Schwarze 7".

Cheers
Marc

[ouidjat]

Report A-371 cited by Michael Balss says a G-10, WNr.150853 was found at Fl.Pl. Hildesheim. That's all.
All Gustav of JG105 accidented at this place belonged to 7. Staffel.
On 4/02/1945 II./JG105 was transfered to Stab JG103 and disbanded on 15/03/1945.
Last, I'm not convinced II./JG105 got Bf 109 G-10s ... But why not?
Regards,
Franck.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Hi there Franck,

Indeed, the G-10 trail seems to be a cold one as revealed by another photo made by Charlie Lewett, RAF, in 1945. This other photo does reveal a left rear-engine curved panel... An Mtt built Bf 109 G-14/AS makes more sense from all those features - though we don't have any registered at Hildesheim.

As for the parent unit, I concur about 7./JG 105 losses, to which we can add also two 8./JG 105 losses whilst based at Hildesheim, W.Nr. 464264 on 16 Feb. 45 and W.Nr. 412667 on 19 Feb 45.

Cheers
Marc

[ouidjat]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

Hi there Franck,
...
An Mtt built Bf 109 G-14/AS makes more sense from all those features - though we don't have any registered at Hildesheim.
...
Cheers
Marc

What about 163642 ? A batch of Regensburg made with a lot of G-6/AS ...

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Originally Posted by ouidjat

What about 163642 ? A batch of Regensburg made with a lot of G-6/AS ...

Good point, Franck; "Bodenberührung" is a fitting description for this airframe indeed.

Thanks !
Marc

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Thanks to Spektor, over on modelforum.cz, today's mystery, at least for me: this photo of an utterly wrecked Bf 109 G or K is said to have been photographed 14 February 1945 at Holbaek, Denmark.
https://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/199302
https://samlinger.natmus.dk/FHM/asset/199303

After having checked flensted.eu, there is no known loss that day. Any hint would be highly appreciated

Cheers
Marc