Battle of Britain Bf109E found in India a few years ago?

[JaganP]

Thanks Andy

I can only guess that this statement was prompted by the discussion between me and you. So assuming that the statement was issued against the likes of me, let me carify a few things:

I have no beef with Rare Aero. I am glad that they stated " that they do not condone smuggling or the illegal removal of historical artefacts from foreign countries and have never knowingly been involved in such activity" and it is very much appreciated

They also stated that

" Any untrue statements made in public will be dealt with through legal channels "

.. as they should, as long as these statements are made against them.

If any such statements currently exist on this site (or anywhere else) in which the good name of Rare Aero has bee sullied , it would help if they point such untrue statements against Rare Aero so that action can be taken.

Ofcourse I made some statements against some individuals who acted as the middle men. (Note: NEVER Rare Aero or its promotors). I have based this on my own study of the coverage of the investigation, reporting and events, which stated that as recently as 2007, a chargesheet was opened against 17 people involved in the deal. the chargesheet was filed by the Karnataka state police. Those are all on public record so I have said nothing that was wrong.

Anyway what really prompted the discussion between you and me was your assertion that the Me-109 would not have been taken care of and it would have rusted way. While I am of the opinion that it would have been taken car of even if it was in India, ofcourse not airworthy condition, it will get there at some point.

Interesting how one thing led to another and now we are discussing libel and legal issues.

[David Ransome]

Just my two penny worth...... I think that it was obvious which way this was heading and maybe now it is time for all to give it a rest?

Thanks for the Rare Aero statement Andy, let's look forward to a superb restoration job by whoever carries it out!

david

[Andy Saunders]

Jagan

Until now, all the comments have been directed against those who acquired the Me 109 from a dealer in India and they have thus far not responded to the various statements and allegations made against them. Now, they have done so.

For the sake of clarity, and the avoidance of any doubt, "we" are not discussing libel and legal issues. I have merely presented, verbatim, the statement issued by Rare Aero in relation to this historic airframe and an airframe that is of interest to many on this forum. In presenting Rare Aero's statement I am not entering into any debate about libel or legal issues as you seem to suppose. On the contrary. In any event, I have no authority to discuss or debate such issues for Rare Aero (aside from this additional posting) and beyond this statement there is no intention by Rare Aero to enter into further discussion on the matter.

The position of Rare Aero has been concisely set out here. Further, it will be noted that much of the Indian news reportage is wildly inaccurate and based to an extent upon supposition. It is not based upon fact, and neither does it reflect the actual facts of the matter when viewed in relation to the paperwork and documentation relating to its sale, purchase, export and acquisition in the UK. I have been privy to those documents. I suggest, Jagan, that you have not. I would further suggest that your information is based around the various Indian newspaper reports which one would be unwise to accept as wholly relaibale!

Rare Aero have authorised me to make the foregoing comments. No further debate will be entered into.

[joyban]

Dear Andy, Ian

Re: Battle of Britain Bf109E found in India a few years ago?
I made enquiries in the area when the 109 was first acquired. I got several accounts of the crash and a number of pictures of a field.
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Ian

Did any of you were able to get any old pictures of the Aircraft when it crash landed ? Any other historical information which can be added to this post ?

Best Regards

[Neil Tanton]

hi every body who is interested in this me109.i live in lower hardres where this plane landed.i know of a couple of people who were only young school children at the time seeing this plane in the field.one of them took a piece of cockpit glass but not sure if they still have it.the plane was put on display in barretts car showroom in the high street in canterbury,not sure for how long.thats as much as i know.

[Andy Saunders]

Neil

Would be VERY interested to hear from you.

If you can send me a Private Message (PM) or e mail would be very interested.

Jagan - if you read this, please expect an e mail from me very soon!

[joyban]

Hi,

Any updates on this from Neil...others ...

Thanks...

[joyban]

Hi all,

I just had a technical question on this particular Aircraft and that was to do with the Spinner :-


As stated in the Crash Report
"Fw. Xavier Ray of 8./JG53, Bf109E-1/b W.Nr. 4034. Report No.3/139 Me 109 crashed on 2/11/40 at 0905hrs near Lower Hardres. Map reference R.5601. Markings 6+I. All in black outlined white. Camouflage yellow dappled green grey all over. Vertical red band 10" wide round centre of engine cowling. Spinner red without usual hole at the tip".





Picture Ref:-

http://www.warbirdsofindia.com/WDY/wbdy2002.html

Picture Copyright © WarbirdsofIndia.com. All rights reserved.
Photo: A A Laxman

On several other Crash Reports of Me 109 E-1 / E-3 during 1940, it stated that there was a hole at the Tip of the Spinner ( If we were to read several Crash Reports involving Me 109 at http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com/luft1939/ )



Also further referring to the Messerschmitt Bf 109E Spinners Post at http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=12299 my question is why was this Me109 E1/B have a Capped Spinner ?

Was it to do with Armament Issue or it was just an optional configuration with Me 109 E-1/B 's ?


Best Regards


Sujoy

[joyban]

Its been a Long time since the thread was update any News on the restoration of the Aircraft, any Old Pics and New ones ?

Best Regards

Sujoy

[BenG]

Here you go - from Mikael Olrog Preserved Axis Aircraft website:



QUOTE: "in storage pending location of suitable engine for restoration."