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Re: Claims for two Fw 190s destroyed 17 May 1943
The Summary of Events/Record of Events for 331 Squadron record the action as taking place on the 17th while the squadron was providing cover for Fortress bombers. Morlaix is approximately 95 miles/150 km southwest of the action. Chris, at #4, describes the Bf 109 losses as being north of Morlaix.
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Re: Claims for two Fw 190s destroyed 17 May 1943
German records for 17th make mention of B-17s. Bit of a puzzle what they thought they shot down on 16 May as 8./JG 2 had one loss while the 263 Sqn claims were 2 x Fw 190s from NAGr 13 (which were undamaged). I believe that Lt Wilhelm Godt of 8./JG 2 damaged a 412 Sqn Spitfire on 16th
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Re: Claims for two Fw 190s destroyed 17 May 1943
II./JG 2 lost four Bf 109s that day. One was without enemy contact. The other three were lost when trying to combat an enemy bomber incursion. Description in WASt will be helpfull:
Uffz Werner Grunding, 5th/JG 2, WIA Startetd 17.5.43 to defend against an enemy bomber formation Crashed near Croissenville (sic) Lt. Günther Krus, 5./JG 2, KIA Started 17.5.43 to defend against an enemy bomber formation Fw Bosseckert observed impact on sea 100 km N Morlaix Lt. and Staffelführer Lothar Werner, 5./JG 2, KIA Started on 17.5.43 to defend against an enemy bomber formation. Crash 100 km N Morlaix. No further observations. Carl
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Re: Claims for two Fw 190s destroyed 17 May 1943
Much obliged Carl, that amplifies Chris's #4 nicely. Do you know which airfield 5th/JG 2 was flying from that day? I've attempted to work it out myself from various online sources but have had to admit defeat.
Brian |
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Re: Claims for two Fw 190s destroyed 17 May 1943
Slight problem with Lt. Günther Krus as his records appear incomplete:
1. Unless I'm doing something wrong he does not appear to be listed by the Aircrew Remembered website. https://aircrewremembered.com/Kracke...rch_type=fuzzy 2. There is a brief entry for him in the Luftwaffe Officer Career Summaries, but that does not provide a date for his death (https://www.ww2.dk/Lw%20Offz%20-%20G-K%20Apr%202023.pdf) Lt. and Staffelführer Lothar Werner, 5./JG 2 is recorded on both websites. Brian |
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Re: Claims for two Fw 190s destroyed 17 May 1943
Kruss (and being a Lt the career summary rarely gores to that rank) and 5 St5affel was Beaumont Le Roger but could have been forward based
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Re: Claims for two Fw 190s destroyed 17 May 1943
As ever my thanks, Chris.
Brian |
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Re: Claims for two Fw 190s destroyed 17 May 1943
NVM reports the name of this Flugzeugführer and also of his father like "Krus". Above the pilots name is a small handwritten "Krauß" (not "Kruss"), a very common German name. Prien and all. use "Krauß" in their losslists.
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Re: Claims for two Fw 190s destroyed 17 May 1943
Many thanks, Carl, that worked beautifully. I did not imagine when I wrote the first post of this thread how much information I would gather, thank you everyone who has helped, I am very grateful.
Brian Last edited by Roundway; 28th January 2024 at 01:00. Reason: Spelling |
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Re: Claims for two Fw 190s destroyed 17 May 1943
I have him as Krauß too
Lt. Günther Krauß, geb. 08.11.1919, MIA 17.5.43 Lt. Lothar Werner, geb. 03.07.1921, MIA 17.5.43 Both were never recovered as far as I know. Last edited by John Manrho; 27th January 2024 at 19:31. Reason: Typo |
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